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Quoted from Askior

I’ll add my feedback too:

I was one of few guys who liked the old version of this map. Because snow was cool, and second was changing the game play. But i have just one question: What have you smoke when you make the remake? x)

1) the new spawn is too long to defend the last. Something cool with the old version was the possibilites to defend from top right. Now we need to walk, walk and walk to try to defend.

2) Why have you remove the left house to put some rock on the second point?

3) The middle. I do not know if it’s an impression it but it seems really tight. When we come from the left, as medic, i dont saw the spam.

And my last question is : why you have enlarge the map? 18 sec to reach the middle. This is partly due to that shitty spawn and this second point.

Well, sorry for my bad english, but i was liking obscure_final, and i really (>9000) dislike the remake_b3

1) and 3) are fixed, spawn structure has been changed and you can take off 4 seconds so you should get to middle in a normal fashion.

Number 2) is opinion based, the house was too big and made a division of where the defenders should and could stand, now they can hold but at the cost of height/separation, rather than being separated everywhere due to the house.

I must admit I am suprised as to how many like _final, but the snow is a fps and crosshair killer so…. no. Also it’s a turtle map the _final :/ I can definitely see your point about the distance and it’s mainly because of the distance at spawn, this has now changed in rc1 which will hopefully be coming out soon.

Upcoming things in rc1 are all optimizations no layout changes really

– cp1 spawn altered so that it doesn’t take eternity to get out.
– distance from cp1 to cp3 is now quicker than of granary rollout (as an example)
– Attackers on cp3-cp4 who just spawn have +1/+2 seconds incremented now.
– Fps tweaks
– Many other tweaks and clippings fixed.
– Last will have an extra fence on the far right side to allow attackers to enter easily and suprise the enemy team.

Sorry but the remake for me and others is much more fluid and less stalemate, alot of ppl whining atm coz they can’t figure out what to do in situations, like moaning about 2 sg’s and a heavy on last, well surely that could of been said to gullywash on cp1? 2 engis and 1 heavy on last… is kinda difficult and rape as well but I don’t see anyone moaning?

Think people need to sit down more and play the map more and see what they can come up with because atm all i’m getting are ‘preliminary’ whines, which basically means “ohhh we played 2 pcw’s on this and score ended 2-1” or “1-0” , when if alot of people remember when gully first came out it’s average total of rounds achieved was also very low because it wasn’t a known map.

Thank you for your feedback though, look out for those changes in rc1 which will be out soon I hope once I get to speak to Vince.

Cheers

Byte

Distance between forward respawn when attacking last is huge…way to big if you ask me. Compare that to Granary or Gullywash and wonder why turtle defences are more effective on this map. Also we haven’t found the best way to push last yet but it still doesn’t change the fact that last is a bit too easy to defend.

Almost everything favours the defenders; height advantage, right hallway entrance, the distance between the point and other entrances, the little metal sheets covering sentry spot from long range spam and the respawn being extremely close.

A bit of cover for the team attacking like the wall on the right entrance on Granary or the block on the left entrance would help along with making the right corridor bigger (like admirable suggested) or just shortening the distance in the yard, perhaps taking away the spire in the middle and replacing it with more basic cover.

I can surf in this map

yay

Made a quick runthrough and took some pictures :)

My first thought is that this would make last even harder to attack, taking the exits so close to the capture point: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998577229/screenshot/542905036697809402 My feeling about this last point has always been that it is veery uninspired and non-creative; if you can solve the rollout problem in a better way without taking the spawners so close to the cap you can solve that problem IMO!

Love the detailing here :) http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998577229/screenshot/542905036697812308

These beams look a bit weird, why are they there in the first place? Looks like the brush has just been made 16 units too big. http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998577229/screenshot/542905036697814651 Same here: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998577229/screenshot/542905036697816669

That’s a place for a chimney too: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998577229/screenshot/542905036697827186

Need nails here! http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998577229/screenshot/542905036697825463

These vents fade in and out: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998577229/screenshot/542905036697823067 http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998577229/screenshot/542905036697821268

I’d suggest adding a grate here rather than a chicken wire: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998577229/screenshot/542905036697819396

That’s one big maintenance report: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998577229/screenshot/542905036697828912

Love these decals: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998577229/screenshot/542905036697830869 Did you create them yourself or where did you find them?

This rooftop looks a bit strange, like there’s a missing brush: http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998577229/screenshot/542905036697831954

These supports flicker, go there and youll see what I mean. http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561197998577229/screenshot/542905036697834978

Other than that, great job so far, really looking forward to play this in s10 :)

Still 3 red decals on blu side that need to be changed to their blu counterparts http://steamcommunity.com/id/valaylay/screenshot/578933833709874436?tab=public

Please also just get rid of the obsolete areas in spawn, the way that you’ve done it with keeping the redundant doorway and barricading the old cabinet area just looks absolutely terrible.

Took some screenshots after going around the map for some time

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10000.jpg (is this supposed to be separated? shouldn’t it be like a single wall?)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10001.jpg (I think you have 2 rocks one over the other)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10002.jpg (little space that you can look through there, not easy to show with a screenshot)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10003.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10004.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10005.jpg (shown in netsky’s post)

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10006.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10008.jpg (standing over there, and “separated” texture)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10009.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10010.jpg (those “intersections” where I’m placing my crosshair keep flickering, all of them, also the wooden “stick” at the left coming out of the rock looks kinda weird)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10013.jpg (same here with the rock and the support (specially the left one)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10011.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10012.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10014.jpg (rock goes through the wood)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10015.jpg (you might get stuck in here while fighting)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10016.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10017.jpg (keeps flickering)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10018.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10019.jpg (it’s small but you can see it anyway, you can look through there)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10020.jpg (make this juuust a little bit taller)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10021.jpg (weird black thing coming out of the metal)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10022.jpg (you can stand here)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10023.jpg (rock going through the wall)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10024.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10025.jpg (you get to see through there)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10026.jpg (nothing serious, just kinda weird how it’s discontinuous, it suddenly goes up)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10029.jpg (you can shoot through here)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10030.jpg
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10032.jpg (you can watch through here, also there is like a column going out of the wall up to the right of my crosshair, you might wanna cut that)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10034.jpg (this box is flying, not really touching the floor, not hard to tell if you zoom with a sniper :p)
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/11430411/Imagenes/cp_obscure_remake_rc10035.jpg (another glitch in the tunnel)

Some are just details, but well, hope it helps ^_^.