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Quoted from beach

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One of our scouts was banned for not submitting a screenshot in time.

I mean.. really?

You can’t get your account frozen for not submitting a screenshot, as it’s only 1 penalty point. You have to reach 4.

Quoted from Enef

You’re all running around in circles.

Whiners are whining because they don’t understand the program but don’t want to speak to admins to resolve their problems. Take 5-10 minutes after your games, type !admin in #esl.irc and ask Moose, Anakin or one of the others if everything is correct with your game and if not, what you need to do to make sure everything is correct. That’s what i did and lo and behold, no penalty points.

Make sure everyone leaves TF2 10 minutes before the game, launches the game by right clicking on the match and clicking “play game” and then sit on server for ten minutes and wait.

This is my and my teams first season in ESL but because we took the effort to speak to anyone and because we took the effort to ensure everyone was using Wire properly and that everything was okay we had no issues.

As for people jumping on the bandwagon, and you guys know who you are.

http://riotjoke.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/haters-gonna-hate.jpeg

One day, I’m going to spoon with you enef… one day.

Quoted from CrashSite

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Isn’t the problem that people don’t like Wire and so are likely to stop using ESL due to it + some harsh rules? Not with the fact they don’t want to submit support tickets for something that they either didn’t want in the first place or something that they think should have been better tested before making mandatory.

As I said before people don’t like to spend time on what they see as something unnecessary and annoying. The issue comes when ESL is meant to be the future of TF2 but people leave because of Wire and rules.

It’s not ESL’s fault that people are lazy/cba to spend a few minutes configuring things. I took 10 minutes to find things out with help from Anakin. Have had 0 problems with Wire.

It’s what Enef said basically.

Quoted from CrashSite

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Isn’t the problem that people don’t like Wire and so are likely to stop using ESL due to it + some harsh rules? Not with the fact they don’t want to submit support tickets for something that they either didn’t want in the first place or something that they think should have been better tested before making mandatory.

As I said before people don’t like to spend time on what they see as something unnecessary and annoying. The issue comes when ESL is meant to be the future of TF2 but people leave because of Wire and rules.

Everyone knew signing up to ESL meant they had to use Wire. Why bother signing up if you don’t want to follow the rules? The rules are far from harsh. It’s the same as ETF2L+ you have to use wire. That’s about it. You build up Penalty Points when you do things wrong. But it’s not difficult to follow the rules, honestly. If you are ever unsure about them just SPEAK.TO.AN.ADMIN.

Fuck your “Don’t want to waste time” don’t bother signing up in the first place if you can’t follow rules. Simple as.

Actually wanted to play esl this season, but due to an unfortunate misunderstanding we didn’t sign up.

Even if Wire has some issues with your software/hardware create a topic in the support forum, that can really help you determine the cause of any wire-related problems. But yeah it does annoy me that it conflicts with a lot of software running in the background.

Quoted from CrashSite

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Yes they knew that they would have to use Wire, but they expected it to work. Any bugs with it and then the need to speak with admin is what annoys people. Also any crashes that it causes in the middle of a game is frustrating and sometimes, if it happens at a critical moment in game, rage inducing.

As for the rules it is again wire that presents the issue. In etf2l if you forget a screenshot or status screen you get a minor warning nothing big. But in ESL every player can get penalty points for messing up with Wire. Also the no merc rule is another rule that is harsh, and I am sure puts people off playing in ESL.

The last issue is that people have taken your advice, they didn’t sign up for ESL, only 70 teams did. If we want TF2 to grow the perception of ESL and Wire needs to improve, these type of threads do more damage than I think people realise. Someone who reads this would think that ESL is a annoying league to play in.

People assume every rule in the TF2 section is simply decided by TF2 admins at ESL which is simply wrong, many rules are applied to every game for example no mercs isnt somthing the tf2 team simply decided on to annoy people…..its for all ESL games. And as it was stated on ESL news post you are allowed to add players to your roster during a season.

Teams dont have to pay to play in the Tf2 league, there not forced to signup, admins give there free time to try to help people when they can. Yes it would be great if wire worked for every single person in every single game but ofc there are going to be issues. And the fact that hardly any tf2 players bother to run wire before there officails is one of the reasons why people have problems. First week of matchs i had 5 + pms from people on friends list alone asking for a download link to wire…….. sums up alot of peoples attitude towards it.

download wire. join the tf2 test team, test wire before your officials, contact an admin to solve any problems.

Quoted from WildCard

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People assume every rule in the TF2 section is simply decided by TF2 admins at ESL which is simply wrong, many rules are applied to every game for example no mercs isnt somthing the tf2 team simply decided on to annoy people…..its for all ESL games. And as it was stated on ESL news post you are allowed to add players to your roster during a season.

Teams dont have to pay to play in the Tf2 league, there not forced to signup, admins give there free time to try to help people when they can. Yes it would be great if wire worked for every single person in every single game but ofc there are going to be issues. And the fact that hardly any tf2 players bother to run wire before there officails is one of the reasons why people have problems. First week of matchs i had 5 + pms from people on friends list alone asking for a download link to wire…….. sums up alot of peoples attitude towards it.

download wire. join the tf2 test team, test wire before your officials, contact an admin to solve any problems.

I did not say that the no-merc rule was only for tf2, only that it is part of the cause for people not signing up. Whether it is all games or not, the fact that you can’t use mercs is an issue. You can add people to your roster, but I presume they need to be verified. So what happens if one of your teammates crashes just before the game and you don’t have any wildcards left? You can’t add someone and you can’t get a merc. Also is the rule of not joining multiple teams per season also in ESL? Cos I would want to use mercs for people who are in different teams, not just those who have none.

I personally think that ESL would be a great boost to TF2 as an e-sport, but this does not detract from the issue that people will not sign up for it. Even those who complain about Wire, even without testing it before the game, have a valid point, because they play in etf2l where none of this is needed and so get annoyed and do not understand why they have to use Wire. There also is a mentality I am willing to bet, that the thought process of using Wire is something like this, even if it is only of a subconscious level: I don’t cheat why do I need to run Wire.

As I said PEOPLE ARE LAZY; deal with it. In running a league you have to make everything as easy as possible for people, short of playing the matches for them. If you disagree with this, thinks it shit, doesn’t matter, it is true. The reason why ETF2L is so successful, even after Prem teams left is because of its website, friendly admins (in my personal experience at least) and no problems actually playing the game.