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please some mapper rework well and do it without gates. I would like to playtest it with finnish boys in our nice little gather channel.

Don’t add or remove anything, just remove ports and setup time 8)

a friend of mine (CJ, one of the guys who attempted to make gravelpit into a 5 CP) made a version without the gates about 6 months ago, i played it in a lot of american pubs and 6v6s, it blows because the problem on well is cp2/4 not cp3, and it dumps a lot of the class diversity that goes into mid anyway by eliminating the potential use of snipers/heavies

Well is awesome, just the way it is.

I’m tempted to copypaste my whiny diatribe about custom maps right about now. :-)

tl;dr version: Work with mapmakers in the community rather than making ineffectual tweaks to something Valve made for pubs

leave the gates, instead make a water entrance/exit into 4th behind the glass window at the point rather than the current water exit only (ie,. move it back and make it entrance/exit) and you’d have a quality map with three routes in three routes out as all maps need

+1!!! Great idea.

Tweak cp2 to have more open areas, gettin rid of the roofs. Remove the gates and the map will be great.