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Created 17th November 2014 @ 18:44

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san alex

Quoted from Meeto

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Yeah, I get that, but why does that make him the new olurist?

Because olurist genuinely believed that only the powerful earned medals.

Meeto

Quoted from san alex

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Because olurist genuinely believed that only the powerful earned medals.

I don’t really think you can take anything Olurist said seriously.

Hildreth

Bully
Pander

Quoted from Fisherman Mamadu

i know its hard by experience, but still they don’t need to do all the work by themselves i guess. they can build a higher hierarchy and put the “younger admins” to work for them.

and they don’t need to do one night cups, they can take one week or two

Don’t see you volunteering to run one, youngling.

Quoted from Hildreth

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Don’t see you volunteering to run one, youngling.

  well im not an admin or an influent person in EU community so i can’t do one tournament. i needed to apply for admin in etf2l or talk to kaneco to host one for comp.tf but he is too  busy with collegue

san alex

Quoted from Fisherman Mamadu

[…]  well im not an admin or an influent person in EU community so i can’t do one tournament. i needed to apply for admin in etf2l or talk to kaneco to host one for comp.tf but he is too  busy with collegue

You can organize and announce it here: http://etf2l.org/forum/community/

I believe Non admins/influent people can post in there too.


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Quoted from ducky

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First off,it’s kind of pointless to do cups mid-season.
People are still competing in S19 (don’t forget about the various playoffs for the teams placing first in their group), S7 has just started.
That’s why the only reasonable option is to host cups during the off-season,when nobody is competing elsewhere (ignoring participation in other leagues ofc).
Secondly,as already mentioned, it really is a lot of effort.
There’s no magic button that initiates a cup. Everything has to be done manually.
Writing several newsposts,constructing a custom ruleset for that specific cup, creating and editing the competition to suit our purposes,pooling and assigning teams to similarly skilled groups,generating fixtures for every group (and later those groups’ finals),overseeing the cup (which includes but is not limited to support on IRC,providing servers for matches,handling match conflicts ASAP,defaulting/nullifying/coinflipping unplayed and/or unsubmitted matches etc.) and distributing prizes afterwards are amongst the things that we have to do.
It requires a lot of planning and communication within the staff.
Who’s doing what? Are enough admins available and willing to help during the cup?
Generally the longer a cup goes the more effort it takes,which is why TAAHD-cups are more common than longer projects.
The reason why it appears as though ETF2L didn’t host “mini-events” in a long time is such a long project: The HLO. One of the,if not the, longest cup in ETF2L history.
It left no room for other events during the off-season,outside of the logjam cup that we managed to squeeze in before S19 hit the deck.
Not to mention that any attempts at getting feedback from the community for ideas on how to host a cup are vastly ignored.
Just look at this for example: http://etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-28794/
~150 votes on an official poll in a league where we have around 3000 active users really begs the question: Do people even care?
The funny thing is that if it wasn’t for medical/availability problems on the part of our staff we would’ve still hosted that cup

its not that pointless to do mid season cups, it actually can boost people to be more interested in competitive! a large amount of teams in etf2l lose because they don’t train with their teams or get default wins because they lose interest since they are being raped or getting ties all the time. doing cups can improve the confidence most people don’t have to try and talk to stronger players they played against and ask for advices. that happened to me, i was getting raped in a bball cup hosted by etf2l and i asked Kalho for advices on bball, late ri started mge with him and stronger players in the portuguese community.

i understand it requires a lot of effort but thats the burden of being and admin in a league. admin is not banning cheaters and arrange the seasons, and if the “excuse” (don’t get flamed because im not accusing anybody) is “it requires a lot of effort” you should consider getting a temporary staff willing to work for you.

if people don’t care, make them care, give them a reason to play this game instead of the general season and one night cups with new maps

@san alex – sunshine was a trial cup for the people get used to the map and prem get new strategies for the map teamfortresstv casters said themselfs… stop acting like a 12 year old just because its me try to solve the problem like the rest of the guys in this post are trying to do (i guess?)

ash

(Legend)
:D

Alright. What you don’t appear to understand: the current staff is 100% volunteers. You appear to have this notion of (paid? ) lazy full time staff and their underlings (who are lazy too). This distinction is not a thing.
Cups take a serious amount of man hours to be run even half-assedly. I can only speak for me personally, but between rl, my team and the regular admin duties i simply don’t have time nor energy to create anything cup related.

You then say only influential people can host things. That’s simply wrong. Take us etf2l admins for example: before becoming admins, many of us were nobodies themselves. How did they become admins? By applying. So stop trying to push the ‘burden’ of league administration away from you and do it yourself. Also: the regular league is the bread and butter of etf2l – i am not sure how cups of any nature take priority over that. I am not even going to go into the ‘banning people’ part… Take a look at etf2l.org/staff

@quell: there are regular recruitment drives, announced in news posts. The ‘jobs’ page is around all the time too.


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frixx

LG

How about bringing the ladder system back? I know it wasn’t that popular but might be worth taking a shot again

quell

UbeR |

Quoted from ash

@quell: there are regular recruitment drives, announced in news posts. The ‘jobs’ page is around all the time too.

yeah and i’m saying, maybe a dedicated news post might help!

sep 20 – AC admins
aug 2 – 6s admins
jul 23 – coders, league, AC

and while the july 23rd post was a big one maybe have a specific one mentioning the need for extra hands if one-day or small cups are going to be a thing. i’m not going to apply for league admin 6s or hl but maybe i do have the time to smaller cups.

ash

(Legend)
:D

Fair enough!

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