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Bans and Staff updates, But mostly bans

Date January 14, 2011

Unfortunately we have found quite a number of players cheating. Their cases have been processed and they will all be banned for 1 year. A number of teams will see the matches in which they used a cheater affected, in case the player was used in more then 2 matches the team will be placed off-season and not automatically be eligible for possible promotion. Teams can still prove themselves by the usual procedure of mailing screenshots and results to request a higher seeding for season 9.

In addition to those we have found a clan involved in account sharing fraud to get a merc into play. Said merc, the leaders and all involved and players of the team will be banned until season 9 ends. We also found 2 banned cheaters trying to return under a new alias, they will see 1 year added to their ban.

Staff changes

The admin staff page hasn’t been updated for a while and you might have noticed a few faces. Perfect time for a formal newspost introduction on some lovely additions to the ETF2L admin team. First up is Germany Mvp who is helping to support the top end of tf2.  Sweden Ashkan who has helped us a lot with the highlander challenge and did great work on organizing the mix-up match will also be joining. And of course Germany CanFo who has already proven himself to be a very good and hardworking admin. In addition, Lithuania Huhy and Germany basH have both joined the Anti-cheat staff to combat the high workload, and cheaters. Lastly, we will have to say goodbye to USA flame who will be leaving the admin staff due to time constraints. Lots of thanks to him for his efforts!

173 Comments

  1. IPZIE: SUAVE said:

    BEAVERN AND WE FKKN ALL KNEW IT. EVERYTIME WE TOLD HIS MATES THEY WHERE TROLLIN US. GG ADMINSTAFF ♥ MUCHOS E LOVE

  2. ups said:

    Sad to see one more lithuanian at the palm of the dark side.

  3. CanFo: (Legend) - [HA] - #T4F said:

    Our most active admin with regards to answering requests is somebody with a certain number of requests answered. He/She is followed by someone with another number of requests answered. Third place is currently held by CanFo with 1029 requests answered.

    That’s what I call hardworking!

  4. IPZIE: SUAVE said:

    Whats with the results of the cups this cheaters ruined? Will there be any changes or rematches? Would love to see it.

  5. Peio: HolyShit! - Saddam\'s Army said:

    Banana: bien fait pour ta gueule pauvre con :)

  6. Warmetal: Suse said:

    GJ With the Rhesus case! Every1 knew it and it was only a matter of time. Although it’s sad to see a finnish guy cheating as there hasn’t been(?) and isn’t(?) too many finnish competitive players cheating.

  7. aveN said:

    Don’t really know about the other guys but the BeaverN ban is just ridiculous, He was a highskilled L4D player, has lots of L4D fragmovies out and has won or placed high and many LANs.

    Really cba with all the shitters that cry whenever somebody with good aim shows up who hasn’t been playing since beta or whatever, people just need to stop mad, stop jealous and get fucking good.

    ah well wcyd BeaverN will be attending OG LAN in a month and will know doubt rape, and I’ll be at i42/3 to prove my sickaim.

    Gratz to Huhy on getting into AC team though, hopefully he can put an end to these bullshit bans.

    :)

  8. aveN said:

    no doubt

    news posts need an edit button :x

  9. IPZIE: SUAVE said:

    Maybe you made because u in e*suckers entourage?

  10. IPZIE: SUAVE said:

    funny to read such things from banned ppl. (Q_Q) made my day/NIGHT

  11. sieppox said:

    “Really cba with all the shitters that cry whenever somebody with good aim shows up who hasn’t been playing since beta or whatever, people just need to stop mad, stop jealous and get fucking good.”

    That is so true, +1 aven.

  12. Jude!: notdoggo said:

    hahah knew beavern cheated

    lalalal

    gj admins ^_^

  13. AnimaL said:

    you mispelled mike

  14. xzr said:

    trololol about fucking time for rhesus to get banned, fucking dipshit. A blister in the finnish scene

  15. Old_Grandma: OGizzle said:

    lol sieppox.

  16. Demourge: EPA said:

    cloak/aveN, dont mad cuz banned.

    Also, claiming that someone should be good at this game just cuz they played an other game at a high level is pretty fucking retarded. Sure, some people are quick learners and adjust quickly, but saying that they should be highly skilled cuz of that.. I think not. There’s enough players that played different games on higher levels and didn’t succeed in this game, also because it is not solely depended on individual performance. Not to mention .. “Past performance does not guarantee future success”.

    ^ That’s in general, doesn’t have anything to do with BeaVerN, as I don’t know him nor have ever played with him.

    And Banana .. will you ever learn?

  17. Raliator: (-.(-.(-.-).-). said:

    Is the community allowed to see the proof of why the players got banned? Like demos?

  18. Raliator: (-.(-.(-.-).-). said:

    nvm.

  19. tasKu: e-famous said:

    rofl rhesus owned.

  20. CommanderX: (ETF2L Donator) - TEZC said:

    not forza :(

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  22. kurt: trick17 - trick17 said:

    Finally some credit for mighty CanFo. You really deserved it.

  23. Warmetal: Suse said:

    Imo you can still be a ‘former’ cheater even if u own at lans. There are skilled people who still wanna shoot better and thus cheat every once in a while. It can be like only couple of important shots per match and those few shots can decide the match. Just responding to aven’s reply and no aven, I wasn’t talking about you. Actually I don’t think u ever even cheated.

  24. Taimou said:

    Gj getting the cheaters caught.
    Sad to see a finns there.

  25. Taimou said:

    The good thing is no one hasn’t still noticed my ubersaw bot or wallhack
    Oops

  26. IPZIE: SUAVE said:

    http://etf2l.org/forum/user/6219/

    to allege conspiracy!

  27. cami: LDLC.com said:

    cool bans is back :) gj

  28. Sir Remix: frø - DANMARK said:

    noo, forza :(

  29. blorg said:

    what actually happened to helmtu? did he hack or something?

  30. at0m1c* said:

    i am interested in etf2l anti-cheat system…How admins found those cheaters?They watched their demos from etf2l games?

  31. at0m1c* said:

    And also if there is VAC ban,than player which used wallhack on public will be banned on etf2l too??it is stupid system! explain,admins pls),or i am not right?u Can ask demos from all his etf2l games and if there is no cheats found than why ban is needed?,just because of VAC ban?

  32. Natijs said:

    gg Sev.

  33. Rynex: FAB - nubs said:

    Atomic, the opinion of the community is that a player who uses a hack on TF2 pubs, is most likely going to have the capacity to hack in matches as well.

  34. FADe said:

    Regarding Helmtu. He downloaded freebie hacks to get his account VAC’d on purpose then quit gaming all together. Said he had major problems in real life and just left it at that. His steam name is ‘hurensohn’ if you check the link ippez posted. Which translates to ‘son of a whore/bitch’… so yeah, probably don’t have to be the brightest bulb in the house to work out what happened. Hope he comes back one day, miss that fucker! Although he’s well and truly shot himself in the foot, if he ever does decide to pick up a mouse and play TF2 again. HELLLLMTUUUUUUUUU

    at0m1c, are you saying in your opinion it’s okay to cheat in public’s aslong as it’s not in the competitive scene? If so it’s been debated, argued and whined about countless time’s before in every game played competitively and every time has been deemed by the powers that govern the game it’s not okay. Anyone with half a braincell would reach the same conclusion.

  35. Fleischpanzer: \\V/ » - vier said:

    ^weak argumentation regarding helmtu, everyone can say that he “cheated on purpose” … how about quitting tf2 without getting vac banned? every vac banned person has to live with the consequences.

    but i don’t care. good work by the admins!

  36. WAR: GlueEater said:

    Lolling at cloak saying others don’t hack, you where a shitter, turned into an all meatshotting/headshotting scout for a few weeks,’posted frag videos then realised it was obvious, changed ur name and turned into a shitter again.

    I believe Beavern did hack, being good at L4D means shit, a game where you just spray at zombies doesn’t really translate into TF2.

    But then again i would like to see evidence.

  37. reactioN said:

    clown was my brother he didnt know what the-

    called most of the ages ago lol @ idiots using wallhack

  38. reactioN said:

    cba

  39. Lenny said:

    umm, what is this you have no evidence against me or mika

  40. IPZIE: SUAVE said:

    AHAHAHHA HE WAS MY BROTHER! I DID NOTHING! IT WAS ALL MY BROTHER!

    To stop Helmtu from gettin addicted again and play 2 much etf2lban would be the best way :) BUT if he shot his foot….

  41. Demourge: EPA said:

    Are you sure it wasn’t your dog’s account?

  42. Lenny said:

    you cant ban us without demo evidence what the fuck

  43. IPZIE: SUAVE said:

    Demourge♥

  44. Nmx: ᴷᵈ said:

    Shit got reaaaal

  45. FADe said:

    It’s not an argument Fleischpanzer, I’m not trying to defend him or his actions. Just stating what happened me ‘ord fruit.

  46. Agro: (Q)< said:

    Gratz to Ashkan. First PotW, now ETF2L promotion. Lock up your sisters, there is no stopping this guy.

  47. DeNeusbeer: (Legend) - HoT<3 said:

    CanFo is the new Netsky.

  48. IPZIE: SUAVE said:

    CanFO > Netsky

  49. WiLL said:

    Fail rhesus . Nub cheaters

  50. Lenny said:

    uploadin my demos right now

  51. _Ben: ;? said:

    Hmmm I watched beavern many many times and never felt he hacked, maybe I’m dumb!

  52. Lenny said:

    http://etf2l.org/forum/general/topic-15269/page-1/?recent=266443#post-266443

  53. Spike Himself: TC said:

    Beav gets banned, one of our wins is now a draw because he merc’d for us, and he wasn’t even that good.. What is this? :(

  54. Retsh0ck: 32erz - 2strong said:

    What’s the point uploading frag clips with aimbot? ( EHEM reaction, rhesus EHEM ).
    Morons, deserved it. Good job AC team

  55. Spike Himself: TC said:

    Requesting someone to take a look at div5a – maybe I can’t count but it seems the points dont add up with qn now gone.

  56. Nigh: ¿ - TF2.ro said:

    first time when i reported lazyshadow for cheating you did not do anything, then i reported his dual account, you did nothing, after 2 years you finally do something.

    flame out, finally some good news

  57. tay said:

    first cloak now beavern this is getting ridiculous

  58. Warmaster: -[MG]- - HL said:

    Wow, div 5a is really fucked up. qn is disqualified, Imperox basically folded (only 2 left on the roster) and Pointless has 3 default losses and should, according to the rules, be disqualified as well :D

  59. Chris: (0v0) said:

    lenny, nobody gives a shit, do your self a favour and get some fresh air

  60. jukebox: broder said:

    forzaaaaaaaaaaa?(

  61. davesan: epx^ - Panda said:

    never thought beav hacked but ok…

  62. LuckyLuke: UbeR | said:

    gj

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  64. IPZIE: SUAVE said:

    Say what?

  65. dr icecream said:

    Lenny mad cuz he banned

  66. Spike Himself: TC said:

    Warmaster: Pointless has 2 default losses. I don’t think the tiebreaker game counts towards the disqualification rule.

  67. Ghent: Team said:

    Beav :(

  68. FlagZero: guru - G-Yoda said:

    Ban them!
    Burn them!
    Leave them to die,
    and hope they never play tf2 again…

  69. jakko said:

    Really doubt beav hacks, he rages at his aim, rather than goring round thinking hes a boss… I really hope you havent banned him off 1 demo have you?

  70. smziii: (Legendary Ratehacks) - SVIFT said:

    best news of this season

    and banana btw the last laugh is always the best lauch :P

  71. Tocsix: IsF said:

    I meet beaver at Dreamhack this winter, he seemed like a nice guy and not the kind of person that cheats. Not sure what to make up of this as I haven’t played with him enough to know if he cheated or not. I just hope you haven’t banned a innocent person.

    I got to say i’m a bit skeptic about the ac admins as they flagged both me and marjasin as triggerboters from a stv demo a while back.

  72. Serialloser: Hys. - NoraJ. said:

    Learn to spellcheck and enjoy your free win baddies.

  73. flushy: P.O.P said:

    certainly not forza’s year

  74. patriarch said:

    Tocsix is right, we all know that ‘the kind of person who cheats’ is a sinister villainous type, possibly with a moustache and top hat. They are easily identified by their poor social skills, evil laugh and cruelty to animals/children.

  75. smziii: (Legendary Ratehacks) - SVIFT said:

    3 cheaters in our div great :)

  76. Warmaster: -[MG]- - HL said:

    Spike Himself: Oops, my bad, didn’t notice one was a playoff game. Apologies to pointless!

  77. Hildreth: Pander - Pander said:

    Played with and against BeaVerN a ton, even one time I was studying an stv demo of our game and I watched him a lot. In that demo he missed a ton of shots, I’d like to actually see the demo that was sent to AC admins and know why they jumped to that conclusion. I don’t want to discredit the AC team but just seems to be a rash ban based on a few complains by people jealous of an up and coming scout in an up and coming team.

  78. Orchid: |=3 said:

    GJ on banning that banana dude. Played against him like a week back. Was dodgy as fuck

  79. n Traum: \V/ Gold - LAME said:

    great.

  80. electrizzity said:

    # earthrot: qn. said:

    December 9th, 2010 at 10:39 am

    Huge amounts of jealousy detected.

    hihih you schuld pick your future teammates by more nuggets of whisdom..

  81. Ghent: Team said:

    ^he mad.

  82. rarecandy said:

    justice is served

  83. Foster: -9m- - Pixie <3 said:

    Beavern? Really? YOU LETTIN ME DOWN BRO ;(

  84. Buffalo Bill: TDR » - T⑨ said:

    Every time we ban people this happens. People come in and say what a nice guy the banned person is and how he’s not cheating, yet very rarely do those people ever apply for a spot as AC admin. So, tell me. If you all are so sure we’re banning the wrong people why don’t you people apply for AC admin? :)

  85. Noreille: RELAPSE! - AwF said:

    lol , banana never used hack
    gj again

  86. Garphy said:

    Lol. Three punished teams from our group. But why only Hysteria lost all points?

  87. Admirable: (Toucan Ambassador) said:

    They came first for the Rooskies,
    and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Rooskie.

    Then they came for the Baguettes,
    and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Baguettes.

    Then they came for the Swedes,
    and I didn’t speak up because I wasn’t a Swede.

    Then they came for me
    and by that time no one was left to speak up.

    Stop this Anti-Cheat dictatorship!
    We demand transparency!
    We demand the right of appeal!
    Free Beav!

  88. FlagZero: guru - G-Yoda said:

    Ask Santa to join the AC team, he already has a list of who’s been naughty and who’s been nice.

    :)

  89. tasKu: e-famous said:

    Heres Rhesus’ story:

    He got mad, and dl’d hacks, he put up videos of him hacking and after everyone saying hes a hacker, he made videos that made look like a total noob :9

  90. Hildreth: Pander - Pander said:

    Okay Buffalo Bill I will apply for the A/C team. Maybe then I can make sense of some of this BeaVerN ban.

  91. CrashSite: RIPMOULD said:

    Don’t worry Hildreth is probabally just drunk or something, he won’t follow through, not like he have any experience or talent or intelligence. Although I really want to see the demo that banned Beavern, I don’t know if he hacked, would like to hear from him first, but when I played with him he seem a good shot and all but not aimbotty so.

  92. tesla said:

    I told you Rheus, I told you.

  93. Turbo: -ƒ$-BLAH - sniper said:

    Damn … BeaVern

  94. ashkan said:

    haha agro, you forgot to mention my greatest achievement of all: longest kritzkast mail ever. Now if only b00bies could make a good joke about my name, my life would be complete.

  95. laress said:

    Lol where are russians? Oo

  96. Jers1: tR67 said:

    Rhesus :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

  97. r7an: -9w- said:

    thought beavern was dodgy, but gave him the benefit of the doubt.

    don’t think he hacked, think he was just a very good player in the low divisions.

  98. Sekundaattori: OS! - OS! said:

    Rhesus and Mika is the same guy.

  99. Square said:

    RUFY CI SI VEDE IN TER…OH WAIT!

  100. haze-e: is good! said:

    HUHY <333333

  101. neutrino said:

    All these idiots should just be banned from all leagues.

  102. CommanderX: (ETF2L Donator) - TEZC said:

    what does ac stand for anyway???? A Cunt i think!!!

  103. W!nTer#20: .iw. - Rambase.ro said:

    I told you Sev that somehow I’ll manage to get you banned <3

  104. hurr said:

    Funny how we were up against two alleged hackers over at ESL land a few months back http://download.esl.eu/matchmedia/19829000/19829064/59708450.jpg

    @jakko: all the more reasons to toggle the hack button.

  105. Fantomen: nandos said:

    \beavern dosent hack. I bet it was div 2/1/prem scouts who got dicked who got jealous and reported him.

  106. minimoose said:

    I don’t think they knew, or cared, who he was actually

  107. Jude!: notdoggo said:

    every single ban post is the same, and until admins release details as to what led the bans to come into effect its all just talk, and they would never do that for obvious reasons.

    accept it and move on, call them nice guys, or apply for admin team.

  108. d2m: vertex » - derptex9 said:

    There’s little point applying to be in the AC team unless you have AC admin experience, since there is no training program and you’d just be guessing on what you see rather than making an informed decision.

    Although to be fair, I’ve got no idea who in the current AC team (if any) actually have any experience themselves. Certainly in the past there have been people involved who knew pretty much fuck all and made some terrible suggestions.

    Smoke and mirrors? Who knows!

  109. Greg2fram: T*My - T*MyHL said:

    Bash is now in AC team but, I heard people saying he’s a cheater…

  110. Cloud: .wldcrd! said:

    ^ If someone from the AC team had the time, set up a training program?

  111. rockie said:

    RUFY LIKE MASSI

  112. Hildreth: Pander - Pander said:

    Crashsite please remove you tongue from Bill’s anus, ty.

  113. .panic said:

    How can you even hate on Beavern? He wasnt even THAT good. Good but not hackerish good.

  114. flisko: atu??? - TWIN said:

    so beavern was obviously better than most of the higher div scouts and because hes not e-famous and no one knows him he must be cheating right?

    how can a player join this league and climb up the divs without being banned? do u have to purposely be a shitter for 3 seasons and start from div6 and play in every division?

  115. n0va: T2P said:

    lol @ war, l4d requires more skill than you think.

    ul beavern bs elitism

  116. Deg said:

    You could disq. Quarantine from this season too.

    beavern – die retard.

  117. BaNaNa said:

    Q+

  118. BaNaNa said:

    Next time they’ll found a speedhack ! Stay tuned.

  119. AnAkIn said:

    You can’t get banned for speedhack any more BaNaNa :)

  120. Fleischpanzer: \\V/ » - vier said:

    http://etf2l.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/cp_obscure_final0169.jpg

    best screenshot ever

  121. Ripple said:

    LOL Bananas last official nickname:

    “BaNaNa has WH”

    gg mate

  122. WAR: GlueEater said:

    If you want to climb divs. as a good player, don’t play scout.

    Sorted.

  123. Serialloser: Hys. - NoraJ. said:

    It’s sad that even by having banana banned, vier blue is still not good enough to be in the play off :)

    Q+ tocard

  124. BaNaNa said:

    Learn to spellcheck and enjoy your free win baddies.

    Q+

  125. Ottoo said:

    Ive played with beavern alot and it never occured of seemed to me that he would cheat. Wow. As Tox sais, he doesnt seem like a guy that would cheat. U never know though…

  126. _void said:

    i never understood why cheaters who get banned always genuinely believe to be innocent. it’s weird. human psychology.

    also i was thinking that beavern was cheating
    but i still think that banana dont use cheat.

    ( et si tu cheates vraiment tes con parceque t’en a pas besoin )

  127. ouch said:

    2011 anouncement post – 26 comments
    admin and OMGHAX post – 126 comments and counting

  128. flix: n2o said:

    can ppl that have cheated again be banned forever plz!!!!!

  129. Nick: ⁄⁄nν said:

    I want CanFo’s babies.

  130. Old_Grandma: OGizzle said:

    good thing BeaVern wasn’t top scoring on all the Season 8 screenshots oh wait……

  131. wat said:

    i came here for the game, but i stayed for the drama

  132. CanFo: (Legend) - [HA] - #T4F said:

    Nick, I got enough love for everyone.

  133. Norrlääänningen said:

    Unban Beav you fucking retarded cunts. <333

  134. Fluffy Meowington: TC.Potat said:

    Gratz, Huhy.

  135. Norrlääänningen said:

    Sorry ac, I am just madding because Beav is my boyfriend :((((

  136. Fantomen: nandos said:

    I have to agree with norrla on this one, unban beav you fucking retarded cunts.

  137. binge said:

    the fuck is up with beavern getting banned, afaik never cheated in tf2 nor l4d

    also, ippez, who the fuck are you and why are you being such a cunt? :D

    as some people have requested, I want demos as well so I can see for myself :)
    i’m not saying AC admins are doing a bad job but this is just bs

  138. Lagitech said:

    GG RHESUS :DDDDDDDDDD

  139. kustom3: AwS - DA! said:

    Leave BaNaNa alone! (again)

  140. Lenny said:

    yawn

  141. IPZIE: SUAVE said:

    I just call em how i see em.

  142. Bash said:

    Hay guise what’s goin’ on???

  143. Alfa said:

    Wp rhesus

  144. . said:

    wtf?! I just got an invite to “unban beavern” group…seriously? Fuck it…ban all hackers…why unban then? because they are cool guys? i doubt that….

  145. dietschey said:

    “Quarantine” *smile* :D

  146. dietschey said:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70mv9O0ILQM

    priceless !!

    @beavern
    and damn forzaeagle.. dont blame n6p :/

  147. helberg: Danmark - DANMARK said:

    gj, when is my ban? jk.

    Its nice to see all these people banned, lets just hope they were all actual cheaters

  148. phanTom said:

    BeaVerN – aimbot/wallhack

    So obvious, gj admins.

  149. IPZIE: SUAVE said:

    http://ircz.de/p/2e5165d29679ef6213e465edb09fdbee08be86aa

    and all that shit…

  150. Lenny said:

    just 363 days, no biggie

  151. Lenny said:

    SE OLI VITULLISTEN NEEKERIKÄÄPIÖIDEN SALALIITTO

  152. smziii: (Legendary Ratehacks) - SVIFT said:

    yeah beavern shouldnt be banned , he hould be upcoming talent of the season for his great gamesense/predictions and his brilliant aim!

  153. reactioN said:

    you can debate that he got banned for aimbotting but you cant debate that he got banned for wallhacking. even if you can wallhack extremely legit admins will still see it when they check multiple demos from you.

  154. Anathema said:

    All right…
    There are a couple of very obvious things many people here seem to be missing.
    1. “But he wasn’t even that good!”
    – Hackers aren’t always retarded, sure, you have people like Banana, who went from utter shit to pretty skilled in the timeframe of a week, after having been shit for months. Not everyone is that stupid. If I were cheating, I’d try damn well to not make it blatantly obvious by consistently meatshotting people all the time. It only takes a couple of kills to turn a match around, made at the right times.

    2. “But I’ve seen him play IRL/I’ve watched many demos!:
    – Perhaps you only know aimbots like the ones used frequently on CSS pubs. The type that spin around headshotting people through walls, the ones that aim for someone’s head and then kill the person behind them accidentally. A proper aimbot doesn’t work like this, however.
    They take a lot of configuration and will only assist the aim, rather than doing all the aiming on their own. These are virtually impossible to spot, even for people with a trained eye. Even then the people using these are usually only caught if they fuck up once. You could spend hours watching a cheater and not realize.

    This is also the reason why most people are still shit, even though they cheat. You have to actually be a good player without cheats, to be amazing with cheats.

    3. “OMG! High div players are jealous of his progress and want him banned!”
    – First off, nobody actually gives a damn. Second, do you honestly think the AC admins ban someone that lightly? Do you think they’re all insecure morons who feed their ego by banning people better than them? This argument is just retarded in every possible way.

    4. “But he’s such a nice guy!”
    – Not only is unlikely you know that, ‘nice’people have done far worse things in the past. Your e-friend cheated, accept that you can’t perfectly judge people, even if you’ve known them for years.

    5. “You don’t have evidence!/ Show us the evidence!”
    -No, they do have evidence, and they’re never going to show it to you. Why? Because they realize that all of you idiots would never be able to spot the cheats, especially since you’re incredibly biased. If they would show evidence, nobody would ever get banned again. All cases would just lead to public outrage because people can’t see the cheats.

    Everyone should be forced to read this, and hopefully the idiotic comments will no longer be made in the future.

  155. xiuxiu: [{ORAL}] said:

    “No, they do have evidence, and they’re never going to show it to you. Why? Because they realize that all of you idiots would never be able to spot the cheats, especially since you’re incredibly biased. If they would show evidence, nobody would ever get banned again. All cases would just lead to public outrage because people can’t see the cheats.”

    How about uploading the demos + explaining where they see the cheat. I’m sure then people would be calmer…just an idea

    (@Beavern: played against him several times in the past in L4D, didn’t look like a cheater at all even though he had good aim)

  156. Anathema said:

    That wouldn’t work for obvious reasons.
    1. Most people would still see absolutely nothing wrong with it, even if properly explained.
    2. It actually educates the ‘good’ cheaters to become even better, learning from other people’s mistakes.

  157. Nivzeh: ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ - 2strong said:

    was hoping for more names of cheating noobcakes
    but that should do it for now.

    keep thoes bans going

  158. Sylosin: MEAT - evCon. said:

    Another day in the European TF2 scene…

  159. _void said:

    holyshit anathema i love you

  160. BaNaNa said:

    ESEA AC team should make some guides/tutorials to help this poor AC Team, twice finding a cheat where there is nothing.

    I could ask ESEA to watch my POV as i’ve all of my S8 matches, but this league is so fucked up that i don’t care anymore. Enjoy your shit.

  161. Gubbins said:

    I am enjoying my shit, thank you.

  162. mustardoverlord: :) said:

    ok, just a few things I want to throw out there:

    1.) ESEA doesn’t have an AC team, it has a client, which absolutely sucks and has banned 2 people for realsies (the third was in a cs pug I think, he just plays tf2).

    2.) Releasing the demos, even with ticks and explanations, would NOT make people bitch any less- they’d be like SEE THIS GUY IS ABSOLUTELY LEGIT AND U BANNED HIM JUST CUZ U LIEK HIM, JH DOES SHOTS LIEK TAHT ALL TEH TIME

    That being said, I think they should do so anyways. Why? It just seems like a fair thing to do, I mean a year is a long fucking time. It’s not like people will get any MORE angry at the AC team; if they’re just seen as mean and tyrannical instead of mean, tyrannical, AND secretive it’s not like any harm’s being done.

    Plus, for REALLY obvious cheaters, it would stop the endless parade of “LOOK IM POSTING 15 DEMOS WHERE I DIDNT CHEAT SO I DONT HACK” topics.

  163. Lenny said:

    omg ur a dumb prick

  164. Rynex: FAB - nubs said:

    Here’s an idea that will stop people bitching. Why don’t the convicted release their demos and let people judge for themselves? I mean, they would HAVE to have their own demos, since it’s in the rules.

    Oh wait. That would simply prove you’re guilty of cheating.

  165. O_oPs* said:

    Gubbins <————— Idi nahuj,pydar.

  166. KOVACS said:

    CALLED IT.

  167. mustardoverlord: :) said:

    Rynex, they do post demos, but if they cheat they’ll just post ones where they aren’t cheating

  168. SinO said:

    AC admins = big e-penis.

    Can’t reach the level guys.

  169. xzr said:

    Lenny: said:
    January 15th, 2011 at 8:47 am

    just 363 days, no biggie

    and 3630 days on finnish pugs, no biggie

  170. Lenny said:

    i thought it was next november

  171. Valve rolls out VAC3….silently « vanillatf2 said:

    […] ED: We decided to hold this article for a week, to make sure any unsuspecting cheaters were rightfully caught. In the meantime, ETF2L has released their latest list of banned people. […]

  172. Gubbins said:

    O_oPs <————— Hacker.

  173. Daleth: ti. - [PG] said:

    headpump shouldn’t be banned. he didnt even use an aimbot, just used the sm glitch, which I do recall many top players using and not getting banned. free headpump