Season 6: Status & Rules – Twitter
September 17, 2009
Season 6: Welcome to 330 teams!
The European Team Fortress 2 League is glad to welcome 330 participants to the 6th installment of our regular Season. Season 6 – officially powered by SteelSeries Xai – will be the biggest TF2 tournament ever arranged. The champion will win six pieces of the recently published high quality gaming mices ad valorem 480 Euros.
Teams from almost 30 different countries will participate in Season 6. See below for a complete country ranking!
Country Ranking
European – 58 teams
Russia – 48 teams
Germany – 43 teams
France – 18 teams
United Kingdom – 18 teams
Italy – 16 teams
Sweden – 14 teams
Finland – 13 teams
Hungary – 13 teams
Ukraine – 11 teams
CzechRepublic – 9 teams
Poland – 8 teams
Israel – 6 teams
Latvia – 6 teams
Portugal – 6 teams
International – 5 teams
Norway – 5 teams
Spain – 5 teams
Benelux – 4 teams
Bulgaria – 4 teams
England – 3 teams
Lithuania – 3 teams
Netherlands – 3 teams
Austria – 2 teams
Turkey – 2 teams
Belgium – 1 team
Croatia – 1 team
Denmark – 1 team
Luxembourg – 1 team
Slovakia – 1 team
Waiting List
Please have in mind still being on the Waiting List doesn’t mean you don’t get a spot in Season 6. All dropped teams until the end of Week 2 will be replaced with fitting teams from the Waiting List. About 70 teams are currently registered on the Waiting List – of course you can still join (but your chances won’t be high to get a spot).
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Last Division 1 spot – Decider match eSrael vs. SHIFTplay
As Team Imperial folded in the summer break, there is one remaining spot in Division 1. As these two deserve it most, both 3rd places from Division 2a&b in Season 5 will meet in a decider match. 
SHIFTplay vs. 
eSrael will take place TONIGHT at 20:45 CEST. Watch out for Source TV!
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Upcoming schedule
Next on the schedule are our provisional divisions which will be published tomorrow. Map pick phase will open Monday night after the final divisions are published. All upcoming dates are listed below.
- 18th of September – Announcement of provisional divisions
- 21st of September – Announcement of final divisions
- 22nd to 27th of September – Map Pick phase
- 28th of September – 1st Match week
Season 6: Rules
The recent polls did not work out as planned, due to some idiots trying to manipulate the outcome of the polls by creating multiple accounts. About 1500 votes had to be deleted and a few guys won a league ban till 1.1.2010 – congratulations. Have in mind public polls are done to give us some impression about community’s opinion and don’t necessary decide how we handle issues. It’s not worth it.
As the FaN poll ended more or less in a draw there was another internal staff discussion where we decided to go with FaN limit 1. Please do not discuss this issue anymore – it won’t change anything.
Besides, the cp_well train jump rule will stay; cp_yukon and cp_waste won’t be added to Season 6 map pool. Also we have added two new bugs to our Rules Page: Freight door Bug, Gravelpit Spawn Teleport. Don’t forget any kind of bug using will be punished.
And, last but not least, we decided all team rosters will be locked from the start of Week 9 till the end of the Season. This is the conclusion of some ungentle people who joined a team for one match and left it right after in previous Seasons.
Overview
- [Rules Page]
- All Spy and Sniper weapons allowed
- Force-A-Nature: Limit 1
- Team rosters locked from Week 9 on
- cp_well train rule stays
- Bugs added: Freight door Bug, Gravelpit Spawn Teleport
- cp_yukon and cp_waste won’t be added to map pool
- Note for new teams/players: Be sure to know all important rules by the start of Season 6. Rule breaks will be punished with point deductions.
League Config: Added mp_windifference 5
Valve added a new cvar in their last update which automatically ends a map after a set win difference. As this is perfect for regular ETF2L matches, the command was added to the league config. Please add the command to your server or update it with newest version of our league config.
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good decisions made in the end
finally its startin again ;)
nothing more to say. the “fan thing” is wierd, but nevermind.
have fun playing and good luck
Would like to hear the logic behind allowing a bugged weapon but disallowing the train jump on well which would make it much more interesting.
As the FaN poll ended more or less in a draw there was another internal staff discussion where we decided to go with FaN limit 1. Please do not discuss this issue anymore – it won’t change anything.
ridiculous
There were about a 100 more people in favor of a ban. Or do those numbers still include the multivoters? Could we have the real numbers?
As the FaN poll ended more or less in a draw there was another internal staff discussion where we decided to go with FaN limit 1. Please do not discuss this issue anymore – it won’t change anything.
you gotta be shitting me
koeitje, ever heard this song? very good. strong voice.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4hPii_RVHE&feature=fvst
54 to 46 is not a draw omg …
Clearly in the world of ETF2L league admins, democracy does not exist….
draw….. LOOOOOL!
so almost same was with yukon, why don’t add it too. I don’t worry so much about fan but would be better to add map with close to draw result too
So you’d rather have the FaN then Yukon?
Bleh, all to their own.
nice democracy on the fan subject :)
and btw 100 votes of difference isnt a draw, its not even close
Democracy wouldn’t work anyway. In democracy a stupid opinion counts just as much as a not so stupid one – in every matter. This was a good decision. Need get some popcorn and soda and watch some epic whine.
+Haunter, ban this shiat!
As the FaN poll ended more or less in a draw there was another internal staff discussion where we decided to go with FaN limit 1. Please do not discuss this issue anymore – it won’t change anything.
You’ve got to be kidding me … hahahaha, pathetic…
FAN haters go to —-> http://www.whine.com and continue crying
CLOSE THE DOOR AFTER YOU.
@ lassizci, every country is full of stupid ppl and they’re still allowed to vote
and if the objective of this poll was to let etf2l admins decide, dont see the point of starting it, besides the feeding of more flame
Shame about Yukon.
Don’t care about the FaN, but I agree that with the same logic you should add Yukon, obiously some new maps would be great and it’s “more or less a draw”
damn no fan ban :(
seppo is drunk, dont ban him!
whine whine whine
maybe do a poll if seppo should be banned
If you (admins) think the FaN poll “ended more or less in a draw” you shouldn’t give one of the sides a favour! Most fair would be: If both teams agree, Fan can be used!
we placed at 3rd place in season5, and we join about week ago, but we still in waiting list, is it normal?
Don’t remove Seppo’s insightful comments, just because somebody has something negative to say about the league doesn’t mean you have to remove the comments right away.
The matches against baby fan scouts are going to be a pain.
Again the same crap. I don’t understand why a newfags team (a team that gonna drop) pressing f5 button to register them got preference in front of a team who participated in the last 2 seasons as my team. That’s unfair. Btw there’s any way to know our place on waiting list?
Respectfully, what a horrible decision.
Would like to hear the logic behind allowing a bugged weapon but disallowing the train jump on well which would make it much more interesting.
i just can say about that: “ETF2L sucks, REALLY! And the admins have no clue what to do and know at least anything about fairness and competetive gaming” !!! This is shit, sorry! More than 100 votes more for banning the FAN and you say it was a draw… also that WELL thing… LOL!
Sry but, i guess its the last season i played in ETF2L…
I’ve heard the yukon vote was a “draw” aswell. Add it.
If you (admins) think the FaN poll “ended more or less in a draw” you shouldn’t give one of the sides a favour! Most fair would be: If both teams agree, Fan can be used!
Definitely yes.
48 russian teams in this season? OH YEAH, LAGZZZZ, everyone loves it.
+1 Ripple at least…
+1 on “fan allowed if both sides agree”. Maybe a gentlemens agreement?
“If you (admins) think the FaN poll “ended more or less in a draw” you shouldn’t give one of the sides a favour! Most fair would be: If both teams agree, Fan can be used!”
Bullshit award! This is exactly giving a favour to ban gang.
Where have you guys got 100 more votes for ban ? They was totally even until we noticed the fake accounts, and after 1500 removals we decided that the poll was pointless and deleting all the fakes was a waste of time and that the “official” poll count was lost so we made a decision. End of discussion on the FaN please.
Please quit trying to state facts when you don’t actually have a clue on the official Facts
There will be no change at all to the FaN rule. No gentlemans rule or anything, the rule is final now
“Bullshit award! This is exactly giving a favour to ban gang.”
The ban gang had “won” the poll so that is only fair thb.
Personally I’m pretty disappointed that Yukon and Waste didn’t get added to the map pool. I’d be extremely interested to see what the results of polls on the inclusion of Well, Turbine and Fastlane would be. There’s a lot of people that don’t like those maps and I think it’s likely they could do just as badly or worse than Yukon (although Waste took a bit of a kicking..but how many of the voters ever even played it?).. and yet Fastlane et al are already included they arbitrarily don’t come under the same scrutiny. Wouldn’t the best way of testing out if maps are really popular be to add them and then see if anyone plays them? If they do then clearly they are.. if they’re not..then no harm done?
Does mp_windifference 5 apply on ctf-maps aswell?
Obvoiously they do since there’s only one config.
But last season windifference 5 didnt count on ctf maps if i remember correctly
From season 5 rules:
2.6 Additional Winlimit = Point difference of 5
If, during a map a team has 5 points more than his opponent, they have won that map.
This rule has no effect on Stopwatch Maps and CTF maps.
“Please quit trying to state facts when you don’t actually have a clue on the official Facts”
Then why the fuck can’t you give us the “real” stats!?
Do you understand that by not including yukon in season 6, you have made me cry?
I am literally crying right now! What is your problem geez!
lassizci: vTroopers said: “Bullshit award! This is exactly giving a favour to ban gang.”
Nope! And if you can’t see it, no one can help you!
Some sort of motivation as to what lead to this incredibly laugh-inducing decision would in fact be appreciated.
Note: This message is not directed at gryzor.
when is the admin team goin to understand that the community will only play new maps if they are in leagues.
With etf2l beeing the biggest league of all, most teams play the maps and rules that etf2l set.
Not adding any maps will keep tf2 on the same “dull” level (after 2 years of playing badl and granary, its fucking dull)
That said, yukon and waste are rlly good maps and more important, they are a good substitute for the same old same old badl/gran
There shouldnt be any voting on maps, the admin team is and should be smart enough to get the community into newer maps. Who cares if one map didnt work out for 1 season, remove it the next one!
“Then why the fuck can’t you give us the “real” stats!?”
did u actually read what he said…..?
you admin guys / etf2l are / is really ridiculous!! Yesterday someone said to me that the admins are “Nazi-Admins” … huh ic!
@troot. Soooo basically they’re to lazy to actually give us the information we seek? Instead they give us the “oh so unbiased” decision.
Masterblaster it would take hours to try and work out the exact numbers. I dont think you actually understand how much work was put in trying to control it at 1st, we deleted a minimum of 1500 votes which took days and then after another few hundred were added we decided to give it up as while worrying about a poll about 1 weapon we also have an entire season to prepare and arrange in a matter of days.
Kop I’m sorry but there is no valid argument that you can give anyone in here to possibly explain why the admins took this decision. If it was a “draw” (which it wasn’t, only a blind fool wouldn’t see that) why pick one of the sides? You’re “picking” a winner yourselves when it was up to the community to decide. At the very least, you could let the teams in the matches decide if it should or shouldn’t be used in X match instead of this crap.
finally start)good luck to everyone and let win the skilled one
About “FaN allowed if both sides agree”:
That’s not a compromise, that’s a ban.
Apart from that: Good decision, keep it this time pls.
again ppl assume wrong, we as a team did the polls to get a overall look at the situation, if it was a 70-30 win to ban then ofc we could see that it was clear the community hated it and we would have banned, but just before the twats decided to ruin the polls it was roughly 51% to 49% and that showed us it was very close, so we made a majority decision. end of story. no more explanations, if people dont like the decision then sorry but nothing will change, all i can suggest is people quit the rage and whine before another thread or newspost has to get locked
Slovakia – 1 team :)
Great decision admins :) Woulda loved to see waste in the league but owell. :D Nomatter what decision the admins make, there will be whine. Get over it
epic whine
i still like etf2l :o
Can only laugh at people calling the “gentleman agreement” a ban. You could obviously play with FaN against teams who want to play it themselves.
This is one of those (few) weird decisions like not banning the sandman when it was introduced.
But meh, we’ll see how this will work.
A gentlemens agreement should be the way to go. Not either or.
Good decision to allow the fan.
Exfane made a good point:
Dear Admins, go ahead and add yukon to the map pool.
Random QQ can do nothing to you!
And, last but not least, we decided all team rosters will be locked from the start of Week 9 till the end of the Season. This is the conclusion of some ungentle people who joined a team for one match and left it right after in previous Seasons.
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Would have really liked to have seen cp_yukon in the league this season. I’m still unsure why the community at large has a massive hard-on for cp_freight — an unfinished, bug-ridden map that has somehow lodged itself into the ethos of TF2 — but refuses to allow strong, proven maps like this.
“when is the admin team goin to understand that the community will only play new maps if they are in leagues.
With etf2l beeing the biggest league of all, most teams play the maps and rules that etf2l set.
Not adding any maps will keep tf2 on the same “dull” level (after 2 years of playing badl and granary, its fucking dull)
That said, yukon and waste are rlly good maps and more important, they are a good substitute for the same old same old badl/gran
There shouldnt be any voting on maps, the admin team is and should be smart enough to get the community into newer maps. Who cares if one map didnt work out for 1 season, remove it the next one!”
+ 9001
jeez no new map and the train rule on well is still in effect.
I go cry now. Thanks god I dont play anymore…
Add yukon please, the rating difference between gully and yukon is minimal.
“As the FaN poll ended more or less in a draw there was another internal staff discussion where we decided to go with FaN limit 1.”
Really good decision! When the poll was in favor for limit 1 everyone was pleased to hear that the poll was not a final decision, now when they won suddenly they rage because it wasn’t… grow up ppl!
A real shame that yukon and (specially) waste isn’t in the mappool, you should do a custom map cup with yukon, waste and gullywash so ppl can get a chance to play them and realise they are good maps
+1 Kop for explaning so that even a 5-year-old can (should) understand that it really was “more or less a draw”
I find it funny how half of the comments say “OMG Why didn’t you follow the poll exactly to the letter so the FaN gets banned”, whilst a fair number also say “OMG Why don’t the admins take some initiative and just add the maps to the map pool?!?!”
Polls give the admins a reflection of the feelings of the community– to an extent, obviously, since people went and created multiple accounts to fuck things over, or people who didn’t play the maps voted “No to new things!” But the admins are the admins, scarily enough; it’s their decision, in the end. Can we end the QQ and look forward to the new season, already? If you’re raging THAT much about a few rules, just drop out and let some of the clans who aren’t gonna be sour about it all the bloody time play.
Looking forward to Season 6, good luck to all teams playing!
Capt. Badger. The problem is them blocking a perfectly okay map (yukon) but allowing a clearly broken weapon.
I don’t care about the FaN, but what about a team vote? Something like, every team registered for season 6 have to vote about FaN limit 1 or ban FaN.
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I really have to say that Slovakia and Slovenia is totally different countries, it’s common mistake to call us Slovenia, even some USA president did that. Thx Pigi for support, cheers!
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=58064093867&ref=search&sid=1425590615.1486074428..1
Wow thats really one stupid call, if more then half of the community is against adding something its really stupid to add it! So admins, you say the game was bad before the FAN was came? It sure wasnt, its not good to change anything this much as adding this sort of weapon, we allready have the problem with valve changing stuff so why pile on more stupid shit?
jesus….
No yukon makes me disappoint. FAN limit one I can understand, but I’d like to see a ban. That’s one changed vote! :p
I think not adding cp_waste was a good decision. CP2 needs a big reworking, its only got 2 entry points and the actual point is a defenders dream; a raised shooting gallery.
Would have been nice to play Yukon. I think they are using it already stateside.
Which teams are in div1 then?
tomorrow Jones, tomorrow you’ll know.
esrael
I don’t really understand what ppl are crying about. 1000+ fake accounts voting for banning the FaN so the real numbers were clearly for allowing it. As it should be since the normal scattergun is still the more powerful weapon. Only weird thing is that you still kept the silly rule for Well, but that really doesn’t matter one way or another.
The voting will be more fair if there are only 330 votes (one team has one vote) and everyone could see how any team voted.
Really disappointed that we didn’t get to play new maps, but I’m looking forward to a good season :)
If 1000+ accounts were made and voted why is the vote count only 671 then?
I almost came. More crying to finish the job!
Russia 48 teams :o Nice. Now get them a proper ISP.
Dead ringer allowed is a bit ridiculous.
Also, how is yukon not in the pool, it’s a (now) official map, I don’t appreciate this unfounded paternalism good sirs.
I don’t like the map myself but excluding maps because they’re not popular or w/e is bullshit- well is still in the pool, no?
if u just use “its a official map” as argument
u could also ask why dont we play ctf_well, the koth maps etc….
Thanks admins for the hard work, you cant make everyone happy :)
exfane have a point thou with that it might be a good idea to just throw in maps into the map pool and force ppl to play it for a season :P
If you think about it, the two map-pools were consolidated to one (div1/2 and the rest plays the same maps this season, you can thank me later) and into this NEW map-pool, cp_freight and cp_gullywash was introduced. Putting FOUR new maps on some people this close to a season-start is not fair.
Less QQ, more pew-pew.
Flame is inevitable!
How can u reach agreement over a thousand people??
I think admins have done a good (and not easy) job.
Good luck & have fun to all for Season6!
Gryzor, dont get me wrong i think you guys did a great job.
I still dont see cp_freight as a new map though :/ and gullywash is just badlands with a new skin (middle point on bridge, 2nd point on sorta spyre, last point inside conceiled, nothing personal arnold)
Nonetheless, gullywash got added by winning the mapping contest, but etf2l has not added any map to test (wow cp_freight what a change!). It should be the other way around, it should be the leagues who propose and in the long run force people to test new maps.
Now youve used a poll system to get your own vote biassed, to add or not add a single map.
I would say, etf2l has to add 1 map on their own behalf every season (so no winners of a mapping contest, no adding a map from 2nd map pool to first, just make a poll: add map a or add map b, TADA WE HAVE A WINNER)
If there was people cheating on the fan poll why not just call off the whole thing and demand one vote per team for a new poll? I’m not trying to whine or cause any trouble but it seems like a good idea.
That said I think we can handle playing more than one new map per season… Freight is barely “new” and it’s only good to get new maps in to play as soon as possible. At least let us play Yukon.
Shame about Yukon. It only finished percentage points against Gully in the map contest. It’s already being played extensively in USA leagues and it’s obviously better than at least the fundamentally broken/boring Fastlane.
iQue: You mistake ETF2L for a democracy. It’s not. The newspost above specifically mentions this if you care to read it.
I did read it and I understand that the admins ultimately has the last word but I do think the FAN is a big enough issue to warrant a proper poll. It’s something that many people feel very strongly about.
But whatever, if you reached a final decision, fine. I just think there could have been more done. :)
“I still dont see cp_freight as a new map though :/ and gullywash is just badlands with a new skin (middle point on bridge, 2nd point on sorta spyre, last point inside conceiled, nothing personal arnold)”
i don’t take it personal when you say something about gullywash that isn’t true
good
So basically no new maps besides Gully. All the shit maps are kept in (Fastelane, Freight, Well etc.).
The fucked up and borked noobie weapon is still allowed.
Seriously, what a load of crap…my interest just dropped below sea level.
I got a feeling that Tf2 in europe is gonna lose loads of good players this season.
GET RID OF WELL, GET RID OF WELL!
You damn Hitlers!
@ Koeitje – and if you count the results as a draw as some ppl do in those cases…
Add yukon – sick of all this bad/gran shit
Gryzor said: “You mistake ETF2L for a democracy. It’s not.” QFT. You’re making yourselves look like boneheads.
its ridiculous that ETF2L is talking about democracy …. pissed my pants cuz of laughing
ETF2L never said anything about democracy, Masterblaster and iQue of Clan Keso did. The news-post above explains everything, some have a hard time reading english — I help them out by explaining terms in many words — this is a part of what I do as admin, help people understand the messages conveyed by the the league itself. Now, this is where the ‘magic’ starts to happen…
There are 2000+ players in Season6, out of these 2000, a few (I count ~10, including a few ‘usual suspects’, still, a _VERY_ good number, just 0.5%) has compulsive behaviour to troll the intertubes. That’s the nature of things — perfectly normal. Enough of it already.
And I shall set a good example and just ignore anything after this post, if you feel you need some questions answered, you’re always welcome to type !admin on #etf2l @ quakenet for personal assistance.
is it true ? i heard people got banned on etf2l for flaming admins
I think the admins did an allright job this time, once more. They increased the number of teams able to play, which is a good thing for the competitive community. They limited the FaN to keep both the lovers and the haters of the weapon fairly happy. And they tried to listen to the community as much as possible by checking if any of the new maps are loved by a majority in the community. That’s just really goob, credit to the admin team for that.
But I have to say I agree with Exfane about how everything about the maps should be the other way around. Now gullywash is added because it has won the mapping contest, but imo there should be two or three new maps into the map pool this time. And when that makes the map list too big (which it does), remove the ones least played in the latest seasons. Obviously Well and Fastlane are good candidates for this option, because in my experience nobody likes playing the maps. Lots of times, teams only play those maps when they have an official on them soon.
As I said: I think the ETF2L Admin Team did a great job once again. Organising 330 teams total with new maps, a lot of issues within a steadily growing community; it’s not that easy, I can imagine. I just think that the map pool should be decided in a different way than putting the usual list in there, since some maps are old and hardly played.
Just my two cents.
does mp_windifference 5 work also on ctf_maps ??
n*ggers annoy me
As an addendum to that (unintentional) post, I’m just putting it out there that I think the admins have probably done the right thing but, in a manner very similar to the ban controversy a while ago, they’ve done the right thing in a needlessly heavy-handed and opaque manner.
Like, did ye honestly not foresee people spazzing sideways when you decided to give up on sorting out the fake votes and simply decree that it was close? There could definitely be a bit more transparency here. I’m sure sorting fake votes from real ones is tedious, but it’d probably shut a lot of (justified) complaining up.
Just to make two things clear regarding the FaN.
A “Gentlemans’ Agreement” equals a ban.
FaN limit 1 is not a compromise, since nobody runs 2 FaNs.
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My understanding is that the poles are there to get a general community feel on a particular subject. For example, the map poles allow the admin team to see if a particular map is liked by the community. If most people voted that they liked the map, it still might not be chosen for other reasons, such as imbalances. If say, 95% voted that they wanted the map, it would be a no brainer that the map should be added to the league.
With the FaN it is clear there is a divide in the community. A slight majority wanted to see a full on ban implemented in the league rules. It was not an outright majority that wanted it banned. If the admins saw a 90% ban vote with 10% in favour of FaN limit 1, it almost certainly would have been banned. A 56% to 44% vote is fairly even. Then you take into account class bias (2 scouts out of a 6 man team). For example, if a soldier unlock was released that had a certain element of effectiveness, scouts might vote to ban it simply because it adds another dimension for a class that they don’t play. It’s a freebe! Get rid of any potential that can cause an inconvinience to the class they play. They might not actually care about the unlock, but they just don’t want other players to have another means of killing players when they can simply vote to ban it instead.
The door bug is not exclusive to freight. It’s in a lot of maps.