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ban innocent people for hax – that’s the best way to help tf2
etf2l’s favourite method by the way

Quoted from blw

ban innocent people for hax – that’s the best way to help tf2
etf2l’s favourite method by the way

thats okay, you can just randomly insult people in mixes to feel better for yourself

Elitism is not the problem. The problem is all this fuss over improving our “image” with the pubbers. Wait. Why does this matter? They’re completely free to join the league and start/join a team, aren’t they? Where exactly is this “gap”? Oh yeah, it’s the whole unlocks issue. I hope this thread doesn’t turn into that dire debate, so I’ll say this: If they don’t want to play with us, they don’t have to. It is not our duty to reel them into comp. They can stick to pub if they wish. Each to his own. Live and let live.

I couldn’t care less about what the SPUF masses think about comp TF2. Their frustration with dealing with vanilla does not concern me one little bit. All I care about is what’s in front of me: my team’s place in everything. I practise with elem.v for officials. I pay attention to other happenings in Div2B. Oh shit, another team in my group dropped. Now we can’t come 1st and need to fight harder to come 2nd. CIDO versus MIPC – that’ll be a good game. LDLC are making a comeback: they beat us and now they’ve beaten AW. I look over and see that some pretty interesting matches are coming up in 2A. And in Div1. And in Prem. This is the stuff I pay attention to. Not the Steam forums.

This is my interest in comp TF2. I love playing in this league, I love my team and I love TF2. There are certainly problems with ETF2L, but the gap between comp and pub is not one of them.

Season 11 is almost done. Thousands of people in over 300 teams have played hundreds of keen, competitive games against each other. This game is not dead, or dying. From where I’m standing, this league is alive and kicking.

tl;dr All this complaining and fuss is far more detrimental to the game than the elitism

someone make a tutorial or some shit on how to upload/record/etc your 6v6 demo/mumble blah blah blah

(cough skyride cough)

When i think back to that christmas-newbie-mix – I posted the announcement on some German forums and people gave me feedback about the idea. Some people were pretty interested but the thing that kept them from going was the fact that they don’t felt that comfortable getting started in an other language, even if some of them have spoken it pretty well.

Quoted from Sylosin

Elitism is not the problem. The problem is all this fuss over improving our “image” with the pubbers. Wait. Why does this matter? They’re completely free to join the league and start/join a team, aren’t they? Where exactly is this “gap”? Oh yeah, it’s the whole unlocks issue. I hope this thread doesn’t turn into that dire debate, so I’ll say this: If they don’t want to play with us, they don’t have to. It is not our duty to reel them into comp. They can stick to pub if they wish. Each to his own. Live and let live.

I couldn’t care less about what the SPUF masses think about comp TF2. Their frustration with dealing with vanilla does not concern me one little bit. All I care about is what’s in front of me: my team’s place in everything. I practise with elem.v for officials. I pay attention to other happenings in Div2B. Oh shit, another team in my group dropped. Now we can’t come 1st and need to fight harder to come 2nd. CIDO versus MIPC – that’ll be a good game. LDLC are making a comeback: they beat us and now they’ve beaten AW. I look over and see that some pretty interesting matches are coming up in 2A. And in Div1. And in Prem. This is the stuff I pay attention to. Not the Steam forums.

This is my interest in comp TF2. I love playing in this league, I love my team and I love TF2. There are certainly problems with ETF2L, but the gap between comp and pub is not one of them.

Season 11 is almost done. Thousands of people in over 300 teams have played hundreds of keen, competitive games against each other. This game is not dead, or dying. From where I’m standing, this league is alive and kicking.

tl;dr All this complaining and fuss is far more detrimental to the game than the elitism

You bring tears to my eyes Sylo
http://i0.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/000/162/317/2vA1a.png?1313349760

Well in a small game such as TF2, it is more down to the community to expand itself.

You may have reasons for not wanting to help, which is fine, but the truth is that TF2 growing is only a good thing. More people means that we have more LANs, which are awesome, more Sponsors, so more community prizes and more exciting finals.

There is plenty to do for everyone, if there are people there to help we could really make the game grow. If we communicate with the NA people as well then we might even get some Valve support.

Quoted from CrashSite

Well in a small game such as TF2, it is more down to the community to expand itself.

You may have reasons for not wanting to help, which is fine, but the truth is that TF2 growing is only a good thing. More people means that we have more LANs, which are awesome, more Sponsors, so more community prizes and more exciting finals.

There is plenty to do for everyone, if there are people there to help we could really make the game grow. If we communicate with the NA people as well then we might even get some Valve support.

the only way to get the community to grow at a faster pace(e.g. not having intelligent players hear about etf2l and start here) then we need to do things like change the entire gamemode, new kinds of maps, unban the bad unlocks etc etc. and I’m against that really. The pubcommunity that has already heard about comp and doesn’t like it, will never become part of it. We rather need to cater to players of other games to get here and see the vanilla game(plus gunboats) for what it is or something like that….