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Good post ARX, I totally agree with you. I too would prefer demolimit 1 but I can live with 2 as well because my team has 2 really good demos and we will be using them when needed as long as it’s allowed. In my opinion, it doesn’t really make that big of a difference in most maps but for example well, goldrush and the ctf maps are much more enjoyable to play if demos are limited to 1.

great post arx!

This is just gonna effect the Division 1.
It sounds like a good idea, but I doubt it will work. For an example, if a Division 2 Clan wins Division 2 and goes up in Division 1, what are the chances that they will succeed there? So I think this has to relate to other Divisons, if the Division 1 isnt going to be a closed Division which would be sad.

Two Demomen are a pain in the ass for a Heavy.
Yeah, two scouts are a pain in the ass for a Demoman aswell, as two Soldiers are a pain in the ass for a solo scout. Every class has one class its weak too, and one its effective against. Thats just the way Team Fortress 2 is created and meant to play. That is nontheless tactic coming around the door. You gotta have a tactic that can outsmart two demomen, and im sure that we all can figure out something that can do that.

Also i think these kind of Classlimits ruin the game, TF2 is a game based on tactics as we all know, why ruin it with just chopping off several different tactics that can be used with two Demomen?

If this purposal is going through, why not put Classlimits one to all classes?

I only play in Division 3, but i think that everyone has the right to explain their thoughts about this one, since it will regard the whole TF2 Community.

I can just about get over the badlands 2 demoman limit, but 2 demoman on dustbowl ¬.¬, especially the massive long narrow choke area up to last point on dustbowl, its ridiculous.

wotr vs TLR i33 final :D:D:D:D, only because we couldnt suss a counter though.

My opinions on a 1x demo limit are mixed. Although I do think 2x demo on 2fort and turbine completely ruins the map, as in completely.

Yes.. well said Arx.

We all have opinions mine is that 2class limit isn’t a problem atm

But lets just give our opinions and not get too upset because everyone doesn’t agree..

But i do think it should be based on a community vote which has been done!

Maybe a re vote may solve this stressy discussion??

“For demo limit comes standard lineup, for no demolimit comes freedom of choices for the teams. That should be the topic to discuss.”

I agree with this. I have to say that I would choose for the freedom of choices, because with the importance of teamwork in TF2 also comes the importance of tactics in my opinion. If you can’t win in way 1, why not try way 2, which may result in a chance of classes. It’s the power of the team to be able to adapt to your opponent’s strategies and counter them with a change of your own.

Making everyone have exactly the same class line-up would make a completely new format in my opinion. Ofcourse, if there is demand for this, it can be interesting to start such a league (like they apprarently have in NA). But ETF2L is based on just this freedom and I think it should stay like it is, because it’s not a convincing majority of teams that wants a change.

As said above; not everyone should have the same opinion and one team might prefer the first option while others teams prefer the other. That is why we could think about different formats. In the end, one of the formats might take a convincing lead in popularity.

funny thing is… i sugested demoman limit 1, before season 2 starts, and the other admins almost burned me :D

now the discussion pops up :)