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some optimisation maybe :P some said they had lower fps, dunno.

What is needed imo is
– make the last easier to defend. it was just a “get on top and spam the shit out of the enemy” tactic all the time.
– a 2nd respawn, a bit forward, when you have mid. (discussable.)
– and (imo) another entrance to the second point for non-jumping classes like soldiers/scouts/demos. only 1 way there.

I just played it in a pickup, and here’s my thought:
– It is way too dark
– When you cap middle, shouldn’t there be a forward spawn? I’m not quite sure what I would prefer though, actually no forward spawn seemed to work okay.
– The second point is pretty good, especially with the whole “on top” thing.
– First point is impossible to defend, especially with 20 second respawn.
All in all a very promising map!

Woah! A lot of replies, huge thanks, you guys are all super. Gonna present my opinions on some issues mentioned.

“(imo) another entrance to the second point for non-jumping classes. only 1 way there.”
– There is another door on top of the big pipe. On top of that, I’m considering the possibilty of making the window (not the high one) reachable to non-jumper classes too.

“- a 2nd respawn, a bit forward, when you have mid. (discussable.)”
– There was a forward spawn after capping mid, it made recapping midpoint near impossible. It is indeed discussable, but my honest opinion is that it is not needed.

“there is the entrance on the left that takes you to the top or directly onto the point as well.”
– If that means the “Battlements” -door, I’d really like to see it having a lot more use. Seen some betatest pickup teams totally ignoring it, and losing first cp easily due to offense controlling the rooftop. If it was used, I’m very concerned to hear / see more about how the last CP plays.

“First point is impossible to defend, especially with 20 second respawn.”
– The respawn timers are factors that still may need tweaking, further betatests required!

“2nd/4th is maybe a bit too easy to cap.”
– Considering blocking the direct CP access from the room with stairs leading to third floor, needs more betatests.

“2nd is too hard to recap.”
– When the respawning offensive team attempts to enter 2nd cp from middle, they are only able to use the maindoor, the window, and the sidedoor to the room with the 3rd floor stairway. That is already a slight disadvantage, but if the 2nd appears to be too hard to recap, I will fix it.

If someone is organizing more playtests on this map, try to get me informed of it. I’ll gladly come to spectate! I’m adding all the things you mentioned into my notebook, thanks!

Also i think that window on the very top of cp2 to cp1 needs removing, it makes it far to easy for attackers to enter cp1.

I don’t think you should remove the window. After all, there’s only three ways to go from cp4 to cp5… removing one will make it cp_well’y.

i dont think its too dark, but then again i was fighting red team :D they glow in the dark

Imo it is way too dark… it’s difficult to see enemies and it makes me sleepy.

Fact is, it’s a really enjoyable map as it is now. Just needs some tweaking!

This map has actual original thought in it, it’s far from a badlands copy and that’s its strongest point.

Zipok told me he thought about Heavy in the design process and I think it shows. The map is compressed in physical size, so Heavy gets to the middle point faster and the ledge on the right of the middle point is an excellent place to deal constant dmg to the point. Forward spawn would be a terrible idea, because as it was stated, it would make the mid impossible to capture back.

Also, I don’t know about your video settings but I had absolutely no problems with the darkness.

“- the “low” window (only demo / soldiers)
– the top windows (only demo / soldiers)”

.. Nah, scouts can enter through every pathway possible.

A new version is in the making, and it is going to test two changes I’m gonna make. One to the 2nd CP, one to the area between mid and 2nd. If it works, it stays, if it is a flop, it won’t stay. Stay tuned. :)

P.S. The ledge on the right is an excellent place to watch your flank, too!

Released version _b3a ! It contains a hotfix to a visual glitch caused by the scout update.

map rox … needs forward spawn