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Quoted from Krakyn

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Xzr even for you this is a dumb argument. We all used to play vanilla, it’s not adaptation it’s regression.

the idea that unlocks = positive progress is disputable

to summarise:

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stfu!

Quoted from kuma

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No, you really have no idea how the game works if you are suggesting unlocks somehow make it more skillful. If it was another argument based on solid knowledge then I’d understand.
I realise I sound really fucking elitist and I absolutely hate it, plus I know I’m not a top player myself, but playing with and against good players I’ve just started to grasp the different strategies available at a higher level, and I can see the game is deep enough without unlocks which just complicate things.
What you’re doing is like someone arguing for or against AV when they don’t even know anything about it.

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I haven’t missed the point. Losing isn’t fun for me, I’d rather go out with my friends for fun than get shit on in a game. You clearly aren’t competitively minded but that doesn’t mean others aren’t.

ok, now Im starting to find a level to talk to you with. if you wanna get political, yes your right its like people bitching about AV, and tbh I dont want AV or the currect system, so to compare me to someone like that is a valid point and I understand that. (this is another debate which would get totally off topic, so lets shh about that in this thread)

I know your not a top top player, however you are sounding like an elitist, but in some way you do have your right to sound like one (if that makes sence). As for strats, I wont disagree I have no idea about strats, Im still learning, but to say because I only know 1/8th of the strats means I have no knowledge is partly true. What I’m wanting to get out is not to complicate things, but just to create a base that brings a balance. For example, wireplay, what were the unlocks for the top divs? Vin +medic + equalizer +sanwitch + bonk. Whats wrong with that? Nothing, and when you look at it, its not Vin or Cin, its a balance. Why cant we look at unlocks like that and see if a couple (JUST a couple) of other unlocks could be added? examples being Jarate, amputaor (sp), shortstop. Basicly, weapons that have a larger disadvatage in comp then their bonuses

as for the losing isnt fun, yes, your right, I have a competitive edge, heck I’ll admit Ive had that competitive edge when in a lobby. And Ive been there in a team where we kept getting rolled. But I could pay a game tonight, get rolled 5-0 5-0, pause, then get back and play a mix and have fun again. As long as you know you were outplayed and you didnt do anything wrong, losing isnt that bad to look at (again, does that actully make sence?!) Ive always looked at the line “you learn more when losing” as something to look at

maybe Im spluring bullshit and senceless things, however, Im not gonna say “stfu dick” because I respect your points, and also, wtf, sensible arguement on the internet? I just lost the game

Quoted from Dummy

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a balance was already attempted with cinnamon

it failed.

(for a reason)

tried and failed, so why cant we try again? Are we afraid of fucking up again?

Quoted from Dummy

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because it will fail, again
nobody fucked up, the solution just wasn’t sensible and vanilla was and is much more preferred

fair and valid, but surely an unlock list like [actully, not like, but just IS the unlock list as it worked for the top divs] the one used for div3-prem in wireplay would be the best option to give people a balance?

Quoted from AnimaL

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word, brother
im out

Quoted from Skully

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tried and failed, so why cant we try again? Are we afraid of fucking up again?

Top teams want vanilla. Not vanilla + just a few cool weapons. Not vanilla + equalizer.

Vanilla.