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Quoted from Koeitje

Make the gloves charge based. 5 seconds of speed, boink recharge times. Should be a decent compromise between the current situation and the old situation. Would even bring in some skill in deploying it in situations beyond mid fights. Some buff changes might also do it, but not to much. 50hp tops should be ok.

Thats sounds good too.

I did not suggest to remove the hp drain. I only thought about the similarities of both items in terms of increasing speed.

Nice input. I feel compelled to bring my korvören to bear.

I’ve played heavy on and off, often maining heavy and used it 80% of the time. I can’t really speak for div 1 play, naturally, but I’ve found that the heavy is in fact rather viable when facing teams of our calibre. Not equal to two soldiers, though, but still viable. Sandvich & spinup adjustments has really helped him against leetle cowards. 30% speed boost is outright ridiculous. It might have suited a heavy 2 years ago.

A 10% boost may have been enough. Even though I love the heavy for various reasons I feel 2 sollys and solly/heavy should be viable options. With all things considered, the heavy is the obvious choice here if present GRU is equipped.

I for once see some sense in Algot’s trolling. That something requires adaption isn’t reason enough to ban something. Or am I not getting the point? I don’t think the heavy should be mandatory but find it rather silly to define balance, harmony and fun in how things have been in the past. In other words. Sollies are there to ubercharge. I find anything else racist. /rant

Quoted from Geten

I don’t think the heavy should be mandatory but find it rather silly to define balance, harmony and fun in how things have been in the past. In other words. Sollies are there to ubercharge. I find anything else racist. /rant

Who is saying that though? I’ve already said, and I’m sure most players would agree, that it would be fantastic to see the heavy more often in competitive play. Christ, if I could bring sommie back as a permanent heavy, my personal enjoyment of TF2 would increase by probably 150%.

I just don’t think this is the way to do it.

I really enjoy the serious debates about these unlocks. I don’t however like people suggesting that D1 have said “this or that”, when they haven’t.

Ok I’ll try to rephrase that. What I hear some people say about gunboats and heavy and whatnot is that they fear they simply have to run the same lineup as opposed to today where one has to run two soldiers, basically. So I mean I’d rather see fatso as viablo as 2 soldiers but not overwhelmingly better.

Indeed, heavy is fun. I know you’er a gentleman and would never steal candy.

I have read nothing new

When Valve look at balance they look at nine classes and the counters all nine classes bring to an unlock

When people in here look at balance they look at how it effects 3 classes (scout, soldier, demo) and if those 3 classes do not have an immediate counter for said unlock it is called Over powered and 13+ pages of discussion take place (with lots unable to type more than vanilla+medic unlocks, or medlocks as the cool kids call it now).

Now I get that a lot of people are stuck in a mindset that TF2 is played this way and only this way (sol, 2 scout, demo, medic), and any unlock that is allowed can not under any circumstances interfere with this line up, or alter the way they have played for 3 years.

I also get that a lot of people want to allow everything, and let time tell which is the best set up to run in 6v6 (like in CS:S and other games although 5v5 in CS:S), with almost unlimited combinations, tactics and counters.

There is a place for both schools of thought and both rule sets in TF2, and a lot of people given the opportunity would play in both competitions.

Ideally this would be with 2 separate leagues, this would be hard to do as 2 leagues would require double the admin time, so in the short term this is probably not feasible.

However a 6v6 open ladder (still no crits, yet to meet 1 competitive player that thinks random crits is a good idea) but allowing all unlocks without limit or delay after they are released, could well be a way forward, and to see if there is significant demand for an allow all weapons competition

Remember you can already agree to allow all unlocks in ladder matches.

Just challange FB green if you cant find a team willling to :p

Quoted from blisf

removing maps that sucks

Start preparing yourself for 15-page-threads with nerds like ourselves arguing about what defines a map as sucky :D

Quoted from Tehgnarr

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your ideas are way too thought out and well formulated for people like that flix-guy to understand. please try to use more internetz-slang in future.

but I second this idea.

wow,the pokemon thing must have hurt your feelings.
iam sry dude i take it back.

btw. this is the interwebzzzz