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also, lol at “evidence”.
this is x’ IP: 123.123.123.123
this is y’s IP: 123.123.123.123
do you know more now? bet you dont.

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Quoted from RaCio

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You want me to dump the entire IP database because you don’t believe me when I say their IP’s match?

You can if you want but it would prove nothing.

Yeah, I was mostly arguing against the thought that evidence is something without context :)

Quoted from RaCio

Yeah, I was mostly arguing against the thought that evidence is something without context :)

Ye I knew you got that, just pointing it out for other people who were kind of missing the point. :P

Ok, here’s some numbers for you whiners.

Forza and Alesline both have their internet from the same root provider (yes Alesine, Turksat are just re-selling Turknet under a different name). Turknet owns about 135,000 IP’s (excluding ones marked as being for their own equipment). This means there is roughly a 1 in 135,000 chance of 2 people both having the same IP when they load a web page. There’s no point going “but what about it happening within 2 days of being accused of this!”, because that doesn’t affect the numbers at all, you’re looking at it the wrong way if you do that. :P

HOWEVER, what does it make it less likely is this:

They’re comparing an IP Forza used to login to ETF2L 2 days before the match, to the one Alesline’s account used to join the server. This doesn’t make any sense with what Chris is claiming about XFF. Assuming Chris is right about them using XFF, Alesline would have to be sharing an IP with his ISP’s proxy server which is a setup that no half sensible tech in the world would ever do in the first place.

Assuming Chris is wrong about them using XFF (which looking into it seems the case to me), There is still just a 1:135,000 chance of Forza just getting Alesline’s old IP the normal way. However for that to happen, it would mean Alesline would have to have to restarted his router at some point during those 2 days, and Forza to have also restarted his not long after that. Think how often most people actually restart their router?

I don’t really have an opinion of Forza or Alesline as people, never actually spoke to either of them so it doesn’t fuss me if any of them get banned. It’s just the ETF2L AC team usually get a shit ton of abuse every time there is a ban and aside from the odd occasions where bad calls are made, they are genuinely just trying to help and the “not giving out evidence” thing is genuinely important and necessary.

If you still think they’re innocent, fine, but I’m just pointing out how ridiculously unlikely that is the case.

Quoted from nvc

This topic is now about removing boomeh’s ban

+1

Amen, nvc, amen.

I’m not getting at them for not giving evidence I’m simply saying the evidence they have is not substantial or indeed evidence at all. Even after the figures you have pulled out skyride it still gives the chance that they were not account sharing at all – it’s just not enough for a ban in my opinion however obviously other people see it differently.