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Quoted from Enef

I didn’t think skins were allowed by the configs pure settings?

With skins we mean unlocks that are considered as reskins, like the fish and the pan. You mean custom client-side skins which are indeed blocked by pure settings. Not really a relevant question to this topic.

Like I said,

Quoted from skeej

[…] It would have been an enormous gesture to show that community input is valued, and I’m not talking about meaningless polls where everyone can chime in without backing up their opinion.

Judging from the posts here, a poll would probably result in allowing The Original, so that’s a good thing, but it’d be a shame that that would be the only way…

Imo allow the axtinguisher and flare gun. This won’t happen, I just cba to change my whitelist for doublemixes.

Come on admins; what code are you trying to live up to by not allowing it? There’s a god damn landslide of well argued support for the original and only a stubborn toddlers cry against it yet still you twiddle your thumbs like it’s a really difficult issue.

OK. You’re scared there will be a backlash crying for other unlocks if the original gets pushed through – that may be so. Take joy in the fact then that there is not a single unlock in the game that falls under the same category of the original and so any such cries would be comprised of little more than bullshit, therefore could, should and would be swiftly discarded for the garbled nonsense they are.

Dear god please. I don’t even care about the original but seeing such an utter inability to problem-solve this most basic of problems is becoming truly painful.

Quoted from kaidus

Come on admins; what code are you trying to live up to by not allowing it? There’s a god damn landslide of well argued support for the original and only a stubborn toddlers cry against it yet still you twiddle your thumbs like it’s a really difficult issue.

OK. You’re scared there will be a backlash crying for other unlocks if the original gets pushed through – that may be so. Take joy in the fact then that there is not a single unlock in the game that falls under the same category of the original and so any such cries would be comprised of little more than bullshit, therefore could, should and would be swiftly discarded for the garbled nonsense they are.

Dear god please. I don’t even care about the original but seeing such an utter inability to problem-solve this most basic of problems is becoming truly painful.

+1

Original is basically even less of an unlock than the x-bow and you allowed that. And don’t say it’s a medlock, so is the quick fix and it’s not allowed. It has no impact on the recieving end and only changes the aiming. (Doesn’t make it easier, changes it.)

Way too much derping everywhere. I’ve not had much time to read forums recently, so could anyone please be so kind as to make a short list of arguments for and against this Original thingy? <3

Quoted from Spike Himself

Way too much derping everywhere. I’ve not had much time to read forums recently, so could anyone please be so kind as to make a short list of arguments for and against this Original thingy? <3

From my perspective :

For :
– Does not change the skill involved in playing the class
Changing the orientation of where the rocket leaves your model does not mean that you do not have to predict, lead and adjust your aim to account for distance, traveling speed and direction of your opponent.

– The Original does exactly the same damage, it’s rockets travel at exactly the same speed as the normal rocket launcher.

– It’s a preference
A player will be more comfortable with 1 orientation over another, however no orientation has a significant benefit over another, all have their benefits and downsides but they balance out. (explanation of +/- of each orientation : http://etf2l.org/forum/feedback/topic-20005/page-4/?recent=363738#post-361354)

Against :
– People are worried that it might lead to more discussion about other unlocks
I can see why people would reason this, but it’s a slippery slope because once you take that stance why discuss anything including map pools. Discussion will still take place, but there are valid reasons as to why the unlocks (excluding The Original) are banned, shortly put they affect the balance of 6v6 TF2 too much to be considered for 6v6. Since the original (in my opinion) does not upset that balance it’s not much of a point against it.

– Might be considered unfair towards the demo
(I don’t agree with this one personally since even though the demo does not have the option to have a center view model, the inclusion of the Original does not harm his position or tip the balance of 6v6 against his favor or in his favor).

– Some people argue that it will make it easier for soldiers to aim
(I think thats mostly a placebo effect, most people are so used to the orientation of their rocket that they don’t have to consciously adjust their aim to be able to hit their target, changing that orientation then has them focus more on the adjustment than they would normally (and will after they are used to the orientation) and thus makes them think about it more, leading to a “increase in aim”).