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Not that i want to be on px side, but come on, an admin told you “play the match anyway”, then play it and do your best like if it was official or even a pcw. Even if you were pretty sure to be given a default win it was a good pcw. At the beggining of season 7 E-fall claimed to be able to handle div3, and you guys said you were disappointed to be given a slot in div4. And you refused to play a mix of 4 div4 players + 2 div2 players ? there’s something in it that i found “disturbing” …

Playing a game is all about challenge and going against the odds as a team. Whining here dont make you shine, you should man up and steamroll your incoming etf2l events to prove what you claim to be.

Juste to clarify my reply, i’m not saying px is right and e-fall is wrong or stuff like that, my personal thought is the admin team handled it badly :)

Quoted from demsii

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It’s rather obvious (for me at least) that ex px1 players won’t play if they’re not needed. As I’ve stated in an other topic, we’re not here to win px2’s games for them and we’re busy rebuilding our own team aswell and therefore play our own pcw’s/mixes.

As for your own policy towards clans asking to use mercs, it’s something personal, some allow them, some don’t, that’s why you ask. One could argue it’s a *TEAM* game. And you forget that they’re not signed up to the roster, we are.

The rules were only “changed” to clarify more, not so it could be used in our favor. And not being allowed to join a team in a lower division as a rule? Are you guys high or something?

As for Gheedz, please stop acting like you were done so much wrong and painting us off as the bad guy. We both flamed, we both got warned for it, we continued it to the matchpage, we got a bigger penalty, fair enough, I fully accept that.

And don’t worry Gheedz, we didn’t play serious either. I can fully understand that you wouldn’t either after an admin told you to play it.

Though, it seems this is just repeating what all has been said earlier. Read the first 2 pages if you still have a need to reply.

I will allow mercs if they are from a similar strength as the rest of the players. Simple as that. I can completely understand the other div4 teams because i wouldnt allow 2 div2 mercs either. Only thing that is different is that you managed to sign up for the team. Dont you understand that you are making px2 much stronger then they normally would be.

If the rules are only changed to clarify is debatable. You can read that part in the first two pages of this topic yourself. The rule is not clear because any strict quantity is gone. When the rules are changed they need to be announced on the frontpage and there needs at least a note in the changelog so everyone can verify themselves whats happening. Also the timespan needs to be bigger. You cannot simply change something. The rule is effective over two weeks or next season so everybody knows whats happening. And i also find it quite strange there has only been a conversation between px and the admins before the px construction was set up. But i think in some way it effects more the opponents of px. So why they didnt talk to them directly before changing the rules and setting up constructions like the 2 div2 mercs each match. In fact efall was ignored totally and wasnt informed in prior of the match. They even had to take action themselves against the injustice.

And if you are only act as backup why can 2 of you play each match? I think 1 backup from px is enough. Why do you need to move you whole px lineup to px2 if you are only acting as backup players? Then 1 or 2 players is enough.

You say you are not there to winning their games. But from what i saw px2 had line-up troubles from the beginning. They made a mess from their team. But you are solving their problems by moving your team and playing their games. And even the admins are helping with it.

I wish some stability for the px guys and a good season for efall. I have nothing to do with these teams. But i only wanted to give my own opinion. Because the topic was presenting the course of events was all normal and was shutting the mouth of efall. And my opinion is that the course of events was everything but normal. No clear rules, rules changed mid-season, badly informed and communicated to the affected people.

A precedent regarding the rewording/tweaking/changing the rules during an active season has been set now.

It would probably be advantageous to issue a statement clarfiying the the position on this to prevent any future problems.

Racio:

Doesnt alter the fact that from Equality’s point of view that as far as im aware they was not informed by any admins that px2 could have both 2 ex px1 players in there lineup + 2 new playeres and so from there point of view 4 new members, not to mention all the other px1 on there roster. Ie implimenting the hyjack rule.

Only after the game was played did admins see fit to verify the situation with the rule to everyone within this topic.

So as I see it, the game was played unfairly because at the time of it being played your “new hyjack” rule wasnt in place, and the only apparent answer Equality got from admins prior to the game was from Anolif ” just playthe game, sort it after”

If a decission was made to allow px1 players to play then it would make sense surely to make a post on each specific match page of upcoming games informing teams that px2 are allowed to use these players and that they are not infact breaking any rules as you had come to a prior arrangement. Because you know yoruself that they would of been breaking the hyjack rule which is why you gave them this “deal” nd then inturn changed the rule itself.

But from what I gather the only people aware of this before the game are px2 and the admins themselves so how you can see that as fair, and be surprised when teams question the current decission is beyond me

You can quote your new rule as much as you like, still applying it mid season when precidents have already been set with the rule, which in turn favor certain teams over others and fialing to inform teams of cetain “deals” you have made with others to allow them to bypass the previously mentioned rule = fail imo.

But I sense a brickwall approaching with the simple ” lets jsut keep quoting the same old stuff and not give any other info or discuss points raised rationally”

But nevermind im used to that now days ;)

Quoted from WildCard

Racio:

But from what I gather the only people aware of this before the game are px2 and the admins themselves so how you can see that as fair, and be surprised when teams question the current decission is beyond me

Just to help you out a bit Adam – http://etf2l.org/forum/league/topic-9349/page-1/?recent=159829#post-159536

It was spoken about publicly there, by Demourge himself – with a number of people commenting on it. Unfortunately the thread seemed to lose steam quickly when the usual suspects decide to use it as their little troll playground.

Your suggestion sounds like a good plan though, and I’ll certainly look at ways we can help to improve the clarity with advising teams of any changes that will affect them in their division in the future :)

And what happened to the 1 team change allowed per competition rule :) as Forzeagle for example during this season was in px1, left them joined sektor, left them joined px2. Khaoz as well I believe although not that sure with out working out dates. How many rules are they allowed to bypass :P (may be wrong but form team history thats what it looks like to me)

Anyway my point is made clear on the matter im sure.

Leave it up to the associated partys to contact admins on irc and make them allow you to rematch. That or do what we did last season and have everyone in your division boycot the team until the admins reverse there decission.

;)

Edit: Oh and D2M wasnt aware had to search though forum posts to find info regarding admisn decission from players on the associated team, gonna make it hard to keep track of whats going on i think :D

Prolly not the best to to pass info around to all partys concerned, no need to comment on that simply having a “dig” :P

lol k :) point still stands linking to a forum post and using that to backup a statement that people were informed about an admin decission is silly, unless you expect all players to read every thread on these forums for updates on admins decission. I was under the impression news post were used for that.

And unlike Racio im unable to delete my posts ;)

1.7.3 One team change per competition allowed

A player is allowed to do one team change during a competition. A player changing from a dead team doesn’t count as real change.

No where does it say they have to actually play in there games, it simply states changing teams, which is what they did, and so according to the current rule set is breaking them.

So im pretty sure based on the current rules I’am correct, if it is intended that it only applies to people who do play in games then that should be added at the end of the season ofc.

Can the rest of us have an answer to his perfectly valid points please, or will I get a ban now as well :x.

For real, that’s the most retarded forum ban I’ve ever seen.