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No, shitfly, it really isn’t. The buff banner brings an inherent advantage to any team who uses it against one that doesn’t. In organised play, losing a shotgun is barely noticeable when you get minicrits, the duration of which is MORE than enough to whipe out an entire team before you even use your 4 rockets and would normally pull out shotgun. It was obviously designed for pubs where a player would use it at the drop of a hat regardless of what his team was doing, and would probably spend 50% of it’s active period hunting for an enemy to kill.

If it’s left in, it is an ESSENTIAL component of any teams strategy. The only effective means of countering it is simply falling back, but it’s not like the uber where you gain an advantage if they waste their charge. If you don’t have a minicrit charge with which to then push back on them, you’ve just lost a whole lot of ground through an unavoidable circumstance.

Ban it for the love of god. Unlocks should be a sidegrade, by which I mean something that is inter-changable with the regular weapon that provides an equally or less viable alternative. NOT something that HAS to be used.

Bugle is the most fun you can have in this game but it does feel overpowered if your team is well coordinated.. maybe some sort of health reduction when its in use or something.

I think the banner is seriously powerful when used right. I’ve found that spamming a choke builds the banner up rediculously quickly aswell. I think however, that it is very powerful. However, the soldier really does have a major disadvantage when pushing, for example, granary last. It is a big change to what we are used to but, isn’t that the whole point of updates?

But yes, at the moment, it is hilariously OP. I’d like a toned down version, perhaps then it wouldn’t feel so cheap when utilizing it.

ban banner, ban boots, ban DH.

With the damage boost if you fall down or jump the DH is just too powerfull imo.
I played a few pcw’s against it now, and I think it should be banned.

edit: bugle is the best thing to happen to public tf2 so far. one person with a banner can actually convince the team to push due to the minicrits so it means you can co-ordinate on publics (inorite!?!?)

Truth. Beats whining at your team by miles.

With your suggestion, it’s all about juggling (horribly easy now), then airshotting (same ease). Not balanced at all.

I really don’t get it, why people still think that instagibbing at close range is balanced in any form with a nearly-hitscan weapon, I tested it as well, it’s quite easy to kill numerous targets. Please stop your cheap talk about your pretended preference what you’re using later, you simply don’t know it.

It’s not about introducing new weapon limits (replying to subsequent post) or obstructing new good (IMO needed) game mechanics (buff banner), but both need some weakening to keep classfights scout-soldier-demoman at eyelevel up, slight (you see this Fluffy lolcat) advantages for scout against demo, and soldier against scout (assuming no ambush).

The Direct Hit –> Limit 1 (Only crits for real airshot)
The Equalizer –> Allowed
The Buff Banner –> Banned
Boots –> Banned

2easy :)

Don’t think boots need to be banned, maybe limit to 1. They aren’t that much of an advantage considering you lose your shotty.

And have the buff banner the same as sandman, banned by default but OK to use one if both teams agree.