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Only thing that you forget Koeitje, is the fact that you are still able to shoot while hitted by the fan. Most fan scouts just rush up when they hitted the first shot to do more damage. As a soldier or demo you can just easily shoot the scout.

Really, there is no point in banning this gun.

Please refrain from posting if you have no clue about game mechanics. I already explained why you are wrong for both scout (2 aspects that I already pointed out but you simply ignore), soldier with shotgun and demo. I’m not going to bother explaining it again.

I dominated better players than me in a mix as a scout. I was using the FaN.

Do the math.

Maybe some hidden talent :X

The biggest problem is: When you ban the FaN now, you will probably ban every other weapon that Valve makes too. I guess a lot of people are just to scared to change the game a bit.

And i think the Scattergun is much more deadly in the hands of a good scout.

Main problem is scout vs scout (less in 2v2). Fan is pretty much okay for the rest.

Ill quote myself

Give the fan 2 fire options:

– Quick 2 shot with no knockback (like scatter) to target but can still be used to jump and has the same effect on the user as the current fan.
– Slow firing (like scatter) mode that knockbacks with first shot, doesn’t knockback with 2nd. Can still be used to jump and has the same effect on the user as the current fan.

That would fix my biggest gripe with the fan: it’s abilty for any noobscout to get a fat ass meatshot with no time to respond for a scattergun scout. If you got the aim you don’t need the stun to 2 shot somebody. If you 2 shot me while I ain’t stunned that just means you aimed well.

…(less in 2v2)…

That is good imo. This encourages scouts to go with eachother and not alone. Only thing is the fact that you will not switch to sniper or something, but this can lead to interesting situations imo.

less. Because it still fucks that up. Stun -> 2 scouts that can attempt a perfect meatshot on a stunned target. The only reason it’s less if you both shoot the fan scout at the same time and kill him before he gets a shot off. And what if you buddy is dead? And his buddy is dead? You can’t always avoid combat.

The biggest problem is: When you ban the FaN now, you will probably ban every other weapon that Valve makes too. I guess a lot of people are just to scared to change the game a bit.

Fallacious argument. Particularly given how much debate the potential banning of the FaN has generated, I don’t see why banning it would necessarily default to a “let’s automatically ban all the other weapons” situation.

I am all for new weapons, but they need to be balanced and not completely rape under certain conditions while still being able to perform fine in others.

I agree with Kolox, needs balance.

Personally, I feel its too powerful atm so shouldn’t be allowed, but a lesser-powered FAN is fine :)

Amazing, we’re now up to 42 pages of whine.

hey.
hey guys.
guys something happened right
i was in a pub server as scout and i was running along (pl_badwater ofc) the tunnel to checkpoint one. Suddenly, there was a level 3 sentry round the corner with two pyros, soldier, and demo there. of course I had used bonk drink at this time but what else could I have done? The sentry gun and airblasts of the pyros pinned me against the wall, thus “stunning” me. At the same time the soldier and demo would launch random rockets and pipes at me that hit. Waiting to respawn, I thought to myself for a minute…
“LOL GUIZ LETS BAN SENTRY/DEMO/SOLDIER/PYRO AS IF THEY WORK AS A TEAM I WILL THEORETICALLY BE STUNNED!!1!”

Then I had common sense.

Leave the FaN alone.

hey.
hey guys.
guys something happened right
i was in a pub server as scout and i was running along (pl_badwater ofc) the tunnel to checkpoint one. Suddenly, there was a level 3 sentry round the corner with two pyros, soldier, and demo there. of course I had used bonk drink at this time but what else could I have done? The sentry gun and airblasts of the pyros pinned me against the wall, thus “stunning” me. At the same time the soldier and demo would launch random rockets and pipes at me that hit. Waiting to respawn, I thought to myself for a minute…
“LOL GUIZ LETS BAN SENTRY/DEMO/SOLDIER/PYRO AS IF THEY WORK AS A TEAM I WILL THEORETICALLY BE STUNNED!!1!”

Then I had common sense.

Leave the FaN alone.

+eleventy million