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Quoted from konr

[…]How does someone overuse a weapon in a league?
It’d be great to have them regardless, so that the soldiers can stand a chance at getting there just after the demoman, and it may be a fun twist!

I would imagine that a soldier could surprize a demoman on badlands especially if the medic gives him a full buff before he switches to the demoman in spawn.. would only delay the healing by the same amount as a scout jumping and it would probably give the soldier enough to be in the opposition demo’s face at 48secs (Maybe i’m wrong) I bet sneis could do it.

Quoted from Spike Himself

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I was commenting on the heavy being a (imo terrible) counter to the gunboats solly. Demo can’t jump on your med without a solly being there unless you’re doing some weird rollout (which then obviously doesn’t work!).
We do indeed agree, and I am indeed in favour of the gunboats, but that hardly matters.
I also play medic, btw.

You mean the wierd rollout of fast to mid…..

Quoted from Spike Himself

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Except that by the time the gunboats soldier has jumped on your medic, your heavy is still on his way to mid!

“O my god I just found some new gloves gusy! B at mid in notiemz!”

Quoted from fisk

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“O my god I just found some new gloves gusy! B at mid in notiemz!”

The discussion was about a ‘vanilla’-heavy being a decent counter to a gunboats soldier. Please read the rest of the thread.

Quoted from caned

i thought that most people agreed the gunboats are a good addition to 6v6, maybe im wrong tho…. what do people think of them & that they’re banned from s8?

I agree, don’t ban gunboats in s8

Has anyone actually thought that having a gunboats soldier is actually an ADVANTAGE to the team compared to a normal soldier on mid?

Specially with little loss. You lose the shotgun…big deal. If you’re playing agressive you’re either:

1. Killing the medic / demo and dieing after
2. Dishing out enough damage so your team can push and force the others back / kill them.

Gunboats soldier puts the fight on middle from a 3 v 3 (demo + 2 scouts) into a 4 v 3 (soldier + demo + 2 scouts)

Now, in a balanced game where the 2 teams are equally skilled, who do you think is going to win? the team with 4 players on middle first or the one with 3?

Gunboats KINDA forces you to run some gunboats of you’re own or to play defensive which results in:

1. You lose ground on middle to the point of having to give up middle or get raped
2. Get raped

As long as you only use gunboats on middle you have a clear advantage… I dislike the item for that very fact. In a balanced games you either use gunboats as well or get fucked over like never before.

Quoted from pukz

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I would imagine that a soldier could surprize a demoman on badlands especially if the medic gives him a full buff before he switches to the demoman in spawn.. would only delay the healing by the same amount as a scout jumping and it would probably give the soldier enough to be in the opposition demo’s face at 48secs (Maybe i’m wrong) I bet sneis could do it.

As a demo if the soldier did that to me first rollout I’d be straight on choke next rollout doing the ‘hymzi’ rollout or on Balcony with my team doing valley.

So yeah, forces you to think more. I remember my Soldier did it on mid in the Ordanance cup vs XEN team (div 3 vs mid div 5 team in us) and got there so fast he got 2 kills before our combo even got there.