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Yeah. Right.

I love how people make up all these FAN scenarios. I’m starting to believe that “BAN THE FAN”-crowd does not even play TF2, they are from some other game, sitting laughing on their forum how they’re trolling ETF2L/TF2.

People playing this game daily and having a clue would never write such stupid stuff, so I think I’m on to something.

psyche, you really have no idea. you can’t compare the two weapons based on the damage they do in a single second you have to gauge how much they do over a longer period of time. say 8-10 seconds. OBVIOUSLY the fan does more damage per shot, but the reload time is the flaw and so you have to measure the overall strength of the weapon with that in mind. and its already been proven that overall, the scatter is actually a better weapon over the period of 10 seconds, when you take into account reload time and ammunition capacity.

second, the burden of proof still lies with the people wanting to make a radical change. despite what you may think, a reasoned argument hasnt actually been given yet, this argument has been going on for ages, and the etf2l admins still dont feel a reasoned case has been made. until someone can do that then the weapon should remain unbanned

People in favor of banning the fan already posted arguments with regards to why they think the fan is broken. People in favor of limit 1/2 only posted “LOL L2P” and “LOL CONTROL SCOUT LOL”. You might have missed that, but the burden of proof lies with the fan supporters at the moment, because they haven’t posted a convincing case in favor of the fan yet.

There were loads of viable arguments for not banning the FaN in the thread that got deleted, you just chose to ignore them because it would bring an end to your cryfest.

I’m away for the weekend, but I’ll be expecting a sh1t load of whine when I get back on Sunday, so don’t let me down.

Haven’t read them? The only thing in favor of the fan is the added movement which brings a new dimension to the game. What I haven’t read is exactly why the fan isn’t broken or any proper counter to it (except for using the fan yourself).

Proper way to counter it: don’t let the fan-scout get near you, shoot rockets at him before he comes up close — done. Rockets are very OP and will in most cases lift the scout up in the air, STUNNING him and ready to finish him off with another rocket at his predicted landing-spot.

It’s worse with the sniper, he can stand across the map and shoot you in the head in 0.5s. That’s atleast twice as fast as a up-close fan-scout who kills a soldier in 1 sec.

Stop discussing the fan and move on to more pressing matters — such as how to get the sniper-rifle banned!

What’s the proper way to counter the sniper? Stay in spawn and not show yourself? YEAH, GREAT FUN! GAMEBREAKER! BUGGED!

Oh wait.. I’m arguing with YOU GUYS again! :D :D :D

Because we all know scouts never get near the medic, ever. Scouts also never get near other scouts, ever. Scouts also never get near demoman, ever. And soldier, well, lets just say scouts never get near soldiers, ever.

I don’t know what you are trying to say with the sniper example? We are discussing the fan here? If you want to discuss the balance issues the sniper creates this is not to place. Feel free to open a topic for yourself, maybe post a poll, and see if people want to see the sniper banned.

You are not arguing, you are trolling.

you completely misunderstand gryzor. his point about the sniper rifle is that there are situations where a sniper is op. the point is that you try and work around it, not scream IMBA and ask to get it banned. the fan is no different. yes it is op in certain situations, but if you ban a weapon for circumstantial overpoweredness then there are various other weps/tacs that should be banned. if you are going to be consistent

What I haven’t read is exactly why the fan isn’t broken

Because this game doesnt entirely consist of 1v1 and I want to see you prevail vs 2 enemies at once. You’d have better chances with the scattergun.

You guys only see the situations where the FaN is at an advantage yet you forget about the many situations where it is not as good.

Yes, because with the scattergun you beat other scouts 1v2 like 9 out of 10 times? You actually got a better chance surviving 2v1 situations with the fan because you can stop them from chasing you.

you completely misunderstand gryzor. his point about the sniper rifle is that there are situations where a sniper is op. the point is that you try and work around it, not scream IMBA and ask to get it banned. the fan is no different. yes it is op in certain situations, but if you ban a weapon for circumstantial overpoweredness then there are various other weps/tacs that should be banned. if you are going to be consistent

For a sniper to be imba in certain locations you need to have some skill. The only place where the sniper is imba is at very long range with no flanking abilities. The sniper is also a trade off, you will lose one other class (a soldier or a scout). The fan actually lowers the skill a scout needs to make kills and doesn’t require a class trade off. The fan is imba in 1v1 scout, 2v2 scout, on high ground, close range, when trying to get away, when trying to block a point, locations on the maps with lots of cover/corners (negates the reload time disadvantage). Anyone bringing up the sniper as a response to the fan argument is either a troll or completely retarded (or both).

I’m going to ignore Gryzor for now, because he already has proven he is just to stupid to understand the basics of this game. And he also completely missed my opinion on the added movement.

There are worse ways to spend a saturday afternoon :D woo-hoo!