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Quoted from accless

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Because that is counter-productive and a league experience should never be two-tiered. It’d create a(n even bigger) chasm between lower and higher divisions.
The stock weapons are used because they are consistently the best weapons overall. Hell, the sticky launcher centers almost the entire 6s gameplay around it. If we talk unlocks, don’t throw the Wrangler around. Consider the unlocks that simply swap some stats around, the Blackbox, Direct Hit, Force of Nature, Scottish Resistance, Degreaser, Tomislav etc. I’m not saying these are already fit to put in but I doubt that these weapons on their own will outright break the game.

But why consider? What do these weapons add to the game apart from making the game slighty or a lot more random in case they’re all viable?

But why consider? What do these weapons add to the game apart from making the game slighty or a lot more random in case they’re all viable?

Just theorising here but with the named examples:

-the Direct Hit would would be effective during a push against a Heavy or Sentry. Increased damage and nigh impossible to dodge for a spun up heavy. No splash damage as a trade off.
-Degreaser (plus flare gun, mebbe) might allow the pyro to go a bit beyond ‘get picked on last while you have an uber disadvantage, then get in the way. Keep M2 pressed.’
– FaN allows for that nifty Gully-Last play where you knock that one guy off the point and go for a backcamp attempt. Generally seems like a good weapon to keep high ground. Not so good in 1v1 fights.
…This is getting too long but I think these weapons would allow for some intriguing alternatives when considering a push or holding a point.

Quoted from crouton

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Are you severely confused? By your logic you’d ban everything ever just because they’re not a problem.

I for one really running to mid in TF2, but I don’t think it’s a problem so I guess I don’t care if it’s banned or not.

Also, wtclasslimits? How many prem games have been detrimentally affected by 2 sniper/engi.

I am not confused, but it appears you are. The logic I applied was that if an issue seldom arises and has little impact on the outcome of a match, then it doesn’t really matter whether the opportunity for it to manifest itself exists or not. I think Permzilla did a perfectly good job of explaining why they felt it was necessary in the comments under the newspost, it can be abused in a minority of cases – leading to a stalemate or a slight disadvantage to the more positive team, against the ‘spirit of the game’, if you will.

Your second sentence makes about as much sense as The Jabberwocky.

Prem games =/= all games. While I agree that rules benefitting prem games should take marginal precedent, they are not the only games affected by the ruleset. In any case, this rule can only benefit prem games as a spectacle. Nobody wants to see quick-fix debacles or failed last push after failed last push.

Quoted from Monkeh

My problem with a lot of the unlocks is the guessing game that will come. Is the enemy scout coming with a FAN this round, cuz if he is then I need to play differently. Will we have to face a GRU heavy this round, mebbe I go DH to counter…oh, no, 2 sollies.

It’s guessing. It’s not skill. It’s random, like rock/scissors/paper. It’s not competitive gaming, it’s fun gaming in a competitive environment. 2 VERY different things.

Most weapons are designed in a way that they are immediately obvious, be it colour scheme, silhoutte or sound.
The GRU are a tough unlock because they flatout eliminate the heavy’s primary weakness, his immobility.

I wrote a huge Paragraph about the FaN and then realised it’s all just theory. So instead I’ll just ask in what way the FaN makes you reconsider fighting a Scout.

Quoted from accless

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Most weapons are designed in a way that they are immediately obvious, be it colour scheme, silhoutte or sound.

During the rollout you are on the other side of the map. How do you tell any of these things? :)

Quoted from Spike Himself

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what just happened

See my most recent post for an idea.

Best poem ever:

JABBERWOCKY

Lewis Carroll

(from Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There, 1872)

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe:
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

“Beware the Jabberwock, my son!
The jaws that bite, the claws that catch!
Beware the Jubjub bird, and shun
The frumious Bandersnatch!”

He took his vorpal sword in hand:
Long time the manxome foe he sought —
So rested he by the Tumtum tree,
And stood awhile in thought.

And, as in uffish thought he stood,
The Jabberwock, with eyes of flame,
Came whiffling through the tulgey wood,
And burbled as it came!

One, two! One, two! And through and through
The vorpal blade went snicker-snack!
He left it dead, and with its head
He went galumphing back.

“And, has thou slain the Jabberwock?
Come to my arms, my beamish boy!
O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay!’
He chortled in his joy.

`Twas brillig, and the slithy toves
Did gyre and gimble in the wabe;
All mimsy were the borogoves,
And the mome raths outgrabe.

OT: Unlocks add guessing games. Guessing games do not equate to skill. Competitive gaming is about skill.

Also, where’s my medic avatar please Accless?