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agreed. with Mother Tereza arrogant attitude i wouldnt want to donate thinkng that this will support him too but the advanced lobby is nice

That € stuff gets a lot of debate. I’m not really a fan of the idea either.

1) we don’t know how AL gona turn out cause there are no active user base, so why pay?
2) we don’t get active userbase, the AL idea will not take off, so it’s basically a loop

What you should probably have done, is seek out money from other source. May be start a bot for metal? Or let other people watch AL play and bet on results?

So you get the idea. AL should get you more skilled players, which should attact more crowd and the crowd should be that income source instead.

Quoted from Useless

So if I want to argue that you offer the same services as tf2pickup BUT you charge €1 a month then I am just making a loud statement?

You lost my point completely. I was curious why did you use “we” and talk on behalf of others. I’m fine with your personal opinion, but calling yourself “we”, if you’re not authorized person, is a little bit loud, don’t you think so?

As for advantages, we want to provide a worldwide reliable service for high quality competitive games, both 6v6 and HL, with a reasonable waiting time. As Popcorp has mentioned above, we (TF2C) have a huge request from our audience, which is international and includes NA, EU and AU, to provide such a service. So here we go. If you prefer TF2Pickup, nobody is forcing you to leave it.

Quoted from Mother Tereza

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You lost my point completely. I was curious why did you use “we” and talk on behalf of others. I’m fine with your personal opinion, but calling yourself “we”, if you’re not authorized person, is a little bit loud, don’t you think so?

As for advantages, we want to provide a worldwide reliable service for high quality competitive games, both 6v6 and HL, with a reasonable waiting time. As Popcorp has mentioned above, we (TF2C) have a huge request from our audience, which is international and includes NA, EU and AU, to provide such a service. So here we go. If you prefer TF2Pickup, nobody is forcing you to leave it.

why would you start a thread if you don’t want feedback anyway? we are not here to ask around in order to see if many people support our opinion on it, we are trying to point out things we like/dislike about it in order so you can implement changes accordingly
also, how do you know there won’t be long waiting times? formerly in this thread somone mentioned how tf2pickup doesn’t have a multiple lobby system caused by its small playerbase but think about it, having restrictions, a fee and a competing free service, how will multiple AL fill up at the same time? I know you won’t like hearing this but at this point you are not able to use “not so long waiting times” as an argument

Quoted from letto

how do you know there won’t be long waiting times?

We don’t know that for sure of course, but we can assume that based on some data at hands, e.g. the number of already registered AL players, dayly visitors traffic, overall size of our userbase. Resolving of “pain spots” (such as low quality of TF2C lobbies, long waiting time etc) are one of our priority goals.

Quoted from letto

how will multiple AL fill up at the same time?

There will be only one AL at one time: EU9v9, EU6v6, NA9v9, NA6v6.

Gah, a total apology from me here. I shouldn’t be replying to these things late at night, and rely on memory. You’re right – there was nothing of the kind with you and I’m sorry for getting things confused. I hate remembering players with abbreviated names! :(

As for other points, I’l follow up later when I have time.

Apology accepted and I look forward to your reply.

As for the rest of this thread, the arguments are becoming rather circular. We ask TF2C what service will they provide that makes paying them any amount of money sensible and we get these weird replies that don’t really answer the question such as:

Maybe something that forces you to play on TF2C instead of TF2Pickup. 572 lobbies on your record. 363 in this year. Not bad.

None of these lobbies were paid for. They were all free. Don’t you understand that the problem here is mainly with the fee? It’s not even a matter of how much it is but purely the principle of paying for a service (provided by people the community don’t trust) which has no obvious advantages against an already existent free service. The only thing you have going for you is that TF2Pickup HL is not very active but that’s gonna be a similar problem that you face once you close off the lobbies to certain skill levels because, aside from TC people who normally play in their own mumble, I don’t see that many high level HL players floating around on the site these days. I see even less who have expressed their support for a paid for system.

Quoted from Marty

After being approved for Advanced Lobbies, the player must set up the small monthly payment of just 1€ per month(keys are also accepted)

So say beta goes well and it is fully running, how long will this process take?
For example if it takes any longer than adding funds on my steam wallet, I personally would never bother with it. I’d get more entertainment out of shoving that 1€ coin up my ass than wait for even a minute to get approved to play videogame. Just my honest opinion though.

My biggest issue is still that you are splitting up the TF2 user base entirely.

Lets assume advanced lobbies are a success. Immediately the user base is now split up in two. So I will have to pay money in order to wait longer for a game or not pay and still wait longer. As one of the few who seemingly cares about the new comp – this is also horrible news for them as they are a group not represented here. The skill level of players and reliability of players in regular lobbies will drop as well as waiting times rising. If these regular lobbies are terrible the likelihood of people sticking around long enough to be able to do AL is low. Doing what’s best for the select group of players here who are TF2C mega-regulars isn’t necessarily what’s best for the growth of the TF2 community and ultimately your site.

On a different note I don’t think any of the TF2C admins would steal money (and coming from me that’s something). Their admin abuse has often come from wanting to be seen as ‘the big man’ or ‘the powerful admin with the banhammer’ and I don’t see money as an incentive for them.

Lastly please sort out your PR. I recently said I had seen Masternoob being polite and helpful to new players and then a few days back saw this.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/22343826/ShareX/2015/06/mn.png

If my initial experiences with a site were like this, I would not continue to use it. Your lucky I am one of those who are already addicted to TF2. You have a wonderful website you have worked hard on (and we do appreciate it) but continue to taint it with idiotic actions. Don’t ruin it for yourselves. If you ever wish for my assistance or help with anything please talk to me on steam. Thanks.