Season 21 powered by Tt eSPORTS: Maps, Playoffs, Staff Update, Recruiting
May 12, 2015
Season 21 powered by Tt eSPORTS: Maps & Map Rotation
The polls are closed, the results are in. Let’s get right to it. We will not see cp_logjam in Season 21 again. Neither will we see cp_metalworks making a comeback. So the only question left to be answered is: Which cp_granary will it be? The answer is the original one. While we think it would not have hurt to try the pro version with all its little tweaks and fixes we can also see arguments for the original one, like not drifting even further away from the stock maps played on pubs for example.
This results in the following maps and map rotation:
- cp_badlands
- cp_granary
- cp_gullywash_final1
- cp_process_final
- cp_snakewater_final1
- koth_viaduct_pro7
- cp_sunshine_rc7
- Week 1: cp_badlands & cp_snakewater_final1
- Week 2: cp_snakewater_final1 & cp_gullywash_final1
- Week 3: cp_gullywash_final1 & koth_viaduct_pro7
- Week 4: koth_viaduct_pro7 & cp_process_final
- Week 5: cp_process_final & cp_sunshine_rc7
- Week 6: cp_sunshine_rc7 & cp_granary
- Week 7: cp_granary & cp_badlands
Edit: More about Unlocks hopefully tomorrow.
Season 21 powered by Tt eSPORTS: Premiership Playoffs
Nine teams signed up for the Premier Division, nine teams is one team too many. Therefore two of those nine teams them will have to play for the 8th spot in the Premier Division on:
Thursday, May 14th 21:15CET.
The two teams are 
LEGO and 
Revoluzion la metagame.
Staff Update
The Germans are starting to lose some serious ground as 
JohnnyBambo decided to leave the staff as well to focus on his dissertation. We thank him for over two years of service and all the work he put in and wish him the best of luck in the future.
Recruiting 6s League Admins
JohnnyBambo leaving rips a gap in the already thin 6s admin department, which needs to be filled with one or maybe two new admins, as a result we are once again looking for volunteers to help run and maintain the league.
Among other things league admins take admin requests on IRC, deal with match conflicts, handle the setting of Default Dates and the verification of played matches. They also create and oversee cups.
With the change to the swiss system setting Default Dates does not create as much of a task as it used to do, since a notable portion of it is now automated. On the other hand dealing with match conflicts has become a task that has to be adressed in a more timely fashion. Additionally providing support during match times has grown in importance, therefore we cannot really employ admins who have team commitments every four to five times per week (especially but not limited to Thursdays). Same goes for creating and overseeing cups. It is always easier said than done, having the idea and setting up a cup is only a small part of actually running a cup. Being there when the cup is under way, providing match support, adressing conflicts, lending out servers, seeding further rounds, verifying finished matches and many more tasks have to be handled, while possibly over 100 matches are going on simultaneously, you may not be alone, but you will be part of it.
Also something we want to adress is our interest in self-managed admins, we will not take you by the hand and lead you through everything there is to do. YOU have to show interest, YOU have to ask what you can do, YOU have to prove you really want to be an admin. There are plenty of admins around almost all the time, who are happy to help you and show you the ropes, but at some point routines will have to be dealt with without someone telling you that they need to be done. At the same time, communicating with other admins is very imporant, to avoid certain tasks being done twice, conflicting results in decisions or even decisions overwriting previous ones.
If you are interested in supporting the administrative backbone for the league, you should also check out the details on the respective application page, this will tell you which information we need from you at the very least. With an emphasis on THE VERY LEAST. Additionally this general page may provide you with some more information.
Posted by Sonny Black in 6v6, League
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viaduct_pro5 not pro7?
sunshine_pro5 not pro7?
cp_granary even though it’s really broken and cp_granary_pro is miles ahead?
gg replacing a bad map with a bad map, what could possible go wrong
Wtf no granary_pro? Well atleast Zebbosai is happy
we got granary back bois
pls update viaduct/sunshine version!!!!!
The viaduct and sunshine versions could be wrong, looking into it. :>
why on earth the rc5 version of sunshine
just why
Why not granary_pro ?
granary pro is soooo much better this is a horrible mistake
If you add a shitty map, at least add the pro version of it !
this time you only got yourselves to blame, the public vote favored granary so granary it is
also RIP johnny, thanks for your work man. we need more german admins!
GRANARY PRO OR GTFO
Thank you JohnnyBambo!
granary gg
how did the votes go though?
and how much hate did metalworks master race get :<
TF2Pickup has had all the newest and pro versions of maps to test, the perfect place to test unlocks (like last season), yet old maps get back in and unlocks are unknown until the season actually starts…
Can’t wait to play granary again though, no matter the version.
The least horrible of the outcomes. At least we get the best map out of the 3 and while I think the pro version is decent I really agree we shouldn’t distance ourselves more from the rest of the community, specially with matchmaking coming. Well played.
oh god why is johnny gone, now it’s just me and sunnyblock
rip metalworks. I was genuinely looking forward to playing it again…
fuck yeah granary
granary is back!! best soldier map
but the pro version would be better, so many maps arent official, granary pro would be just one more
People voted for granary because very few people actually know the pro version. Pretty sure almost everyone who has played it would pick pro over regular gran.
everyone who voted for vanilla gran sucks five billion dicks per second and i hope you die of bone cancer.
i voted old granary
because i didn’t know
i’m sorry
you didn’t complain about the lack of metalworks yet jackylegs come on step your game up.
When I voted, I thought the mid of granary_pro was the new shit one. I can’t speak for everyone but the map was not well known so I think this affected the votes. I voted for the old granary because of this, now the mids are the same I don’t see any reason to use the old one now and I think there isn’t a reason to use the old one.
Also: No map poll -> “WE WANT A MAP POLL, THIS IS BS”
map poll -> “NO WE DONT WANT TO ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THE MAP POLL”
i just want faster respawn so you dont insta lose if u wipe on mid
Maybe before next season give it a shot in one night cup.
this is what the majority of etf2l voted for, just stop crying
Eh, what’s done is done. Since ETF2L has been on a new map roll recently, I personally think they should have just had Logjam and Granary_pro as the only choices, but even then people would have foudn a way to bitch about the choices.
Wonder would the votes be the same if you’d had images of granary pro beside the poll. I know I thought it was a different version of gran pro entirely.
i voted old granary because I like it
Voted for old granary, because I liked it.
Didnt know that new granary was better.
Sorry.
“we can also see arguments for the original one, like not drifting even further away from the stock maps played on pubs for example.”
Good argument xDDDDDDDDDDD
I really think admins should have the balls to force the granary_pro into the map pool. (Finally an admin decision actually backed up by most of the community atm.)
First of all the poll should have had only granary_pro in it, putting regular granary in was illogical since granary_pro was only meant to be an improvement from the original, the reasons why regular granary was removed were getting fixed.
Also can’t understand how the pro version wasn’t hyped properly, you only posted the tf.tv thread. The only real hype was the showmatch between Reason and Zizi but it was already too late, because most of the people had already voted at that point.
Op And Load Allowed in Highlander and now this. Jeez
” When I voted, I thought the mid of granary_pro was the new shit one. ”
Same for me…
With the “old” crate layout on mid the pro version is better.
U can thank me later boys.
Literally the worst poll option. This is why we can’t have nice things.
@neo
I don’t agree with you for the most part. Firstly I can tell you that based on this poll most of the community does not back up the suggestion to use granary_pro instead of granary, or granary_pro would be announced here. Both maps were voted for favourably but there was still a big difference between them in terms of votes.
Original Granary should definitely have been in the vote too, Granary_pro was meant to be an improvement, but this does not mean that people agree. See Zebbosai for example :^). Although I agree with you in the fact that this poll will most likely have produced biased results due to the people that wanted Granary, but didn’t care what version. I’m one of those people and I think the most logical choices for me were “I love it” for Granary and “I don’t care” for Granary_pro. I think if there was a completely separate vote between Granary_Pro and Granary it would produce much fairer results due to the exclusion of Logjam/Metalworks. Perhaps that is something for the admins to look into…
I agree with you there, however I’m not sure if you’re pointing the finger at the admins here. It’s not the admins duty to make sure people are aware of the map, it would have taken a simple google search to find the tftv thread on granary_pro most likely.
etf2l in a nutshell
Why can`t we have a map pool vote ?
*Gets the vote*
Why can`t admins just force the maps ?
Genius
we got Granary back \o/
I had never played granary pro when I voted. Now that I have I think it’s better. But a vote is a vote and I just wished it had gotten more recognition before the vote. Well there is always season 22..
I feel like people didn’t take the time to look at granary_pro in the first place during the voting for the map to bring back. I’d imagine if people actually took the time to look/play pro it would’ve been included in the rotation. I guess after the showmatch suddenly the support was in favour of pro rather than stock granary. Oh well…
GRANARY IS BACK BOYS! \O/
Yay Granary. Time to have fun, unless you play as passive scout, aggressive scout, Medic and Demoman.
^
Provisional!
YES no logjam finally it´s gone.
Why would anyone vote on a map he has no experience with and then expect the result to be the correct one? That’s just retarded. ETF2L didn’t force anyone to rate every map, one couldve easily voted only for old gran and ignored the other polls…
” When I voted, I thought the mid of granary_pro was the new shit one. ”
think only a handful of people knew they had fixed gran pro mid
Needed a Granary pro cup I think.
Grats solly mains
;-;
Season 20 we had a provisional whitelist about 1 month before the signups started. People had lots of time to test and give feedback about it. Wiethoofd offered to test unlocks/maps on tf2pickup again, as we did for S20. If you don’t want it fine, but atleast provide a whitelist so it can be tested/discussed properly. Signups even were extended by 1 week and still no whitelist :c
Or did this only happen cause S20 hype?
id love granary pro if they changed the grass textures back
those grass textures were the best thing about granry
i love you Zebbo
@Permzilla
Well at least just from reading these comments and people I have talked to, A LOT of people changed their minds about which granary should be on the season after they knew what the pro version was. Not at all surprising considering that lot of bugs and respawn times where fixed in the new version.
I’m not particularly pointing fingers at anyone, of course people could have research about the map if they wanted but still I think it could have been hyped more by etf2l.
It wouldn’t be the worst idea to put up a new poll with only granary and granary_pro in it. At least we would have a definite answer on which map the community really wanted. Not sure though if this is viable.
Can confirm, i voted for Granary thinking that the pro version was not so good. First time i play granary_pro i think “ok im stupid…”.
If you don’t take texture/light change into account, what are the changes that ACTUALLY matter in the pro version?
Mid is far better!
neo – its hardly ETF2L’s fault if people vote without checking out a map’s final version first. There even was a reminder about that in the newspost: ‘Make sure you check out what has changed in the attached links before voting.’
Should we require every player to prove he played a map before he can vote?
should etf2l require*
old habits die hard!
can’t belive people didnt check how far superior granary_pro is to granary before voting… the latest version is basicaly granary but with far superior tweaks and changes into it….
I’d like so see a poll of granary vs granary_pro now that some people seem to have actualy checked how granary_pro is
why u remove logjam kaidus?
so many people who didn’t even check out the latest version of granary_pro before voting, let alone play it.
Disgusting.
granary pro plz
No need to get all defensive about this ash. I’m just giving some critique. I already said that people are responsible for themselves for not checking the map out. But can you honestly say that etf2l did its best to hype granary_pro? I know that it’s not your job and you’re all doing this voluntarily but still if there is a new version of the old map coming in which lots of the bugs are fixed, don’t you agree it should be hyped properly?
I really think you guys should reconsider this and either put up a new poll with granary and granary_pro in it or just enforce the granary_pro into the map pool.
Another poll from 14 to 16 23.59 CET. This time my vote for cp_granary (oooooops cp_g_pro ^^).
I would apply if my schedule was not so inconsistent