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kill valve problems SOLVED
no valve – no unlocks

above post couldn’t be more wrong rofl

Quoted from Skully

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explain

Im all for being told Im wrong but with no reasons, Im calling bullshit

Implying that people that want vanilla want vanilla because they cba to adapt to new weapons, for instance.

Why should you adapt to weapons that promote poor play and lower the skill ceiling? (I don’t mean every unlock, just food for thought)

I’m sorry, but spamming weapons with every update (weapons that are ment for pubs, at best) and wanting them in a competitive environment is not healthy for the game if you look to promote it to outside partys.

Quoted from Skully

why cant you all just shut the fuck up and have 2 leagues inside ETF2L. Hell, I wouldnt care if both leagues had low numbers, if would shut up every fucking arguement on this site

heres where I stand: I dont give a shit about unlocks, and why should you lot? Van works and Cin works, Van gives TF2 a good look and impression for the fags who dont play TF2 and get shown it. And Cin works because it promotes tacticts, its like swapping from uber to kritz and getting rid of a scout for a heavy at the same time, new ball game, work it out inside 5 mins. Happened to our lot last night, and they got round it

you dont want to give TF2 a good look for the outsider fags, play Cin, you dont want to work on new strats because your fags, play Vin

both work, its just people wanting to use a smoke screen

now, the real reason for this thread: the drops

say what you want about why teams drop, the issue is people not wanting to achieve something and finish the league for the better of the comunity. let me show you this http://etf2l.org/recruitment/ . theres enough fuckers on that list for you lot to pick someone up JUST to finish the season, then fold/rebuild/fuck off. Team Refuse last season lost players, they didnt curl up into a ball, they limped to finish the season, getting mercs, picking up people

the issue is people just want to win, and yes, I think we all do, but the game is a fun game. You look at our community at a LAN compared to CSS. All CSS kids want to do is win, theres no lulz, no socialising, just fights. Now look at TF2, its a laugh, yes we want to win, but we can finish a game, lose, laugh it off and go have a beer with the guys who just kick our ass 5-0 5-0. If you know you wont get the players to finish the league, just acept its not your time, pick up mercs, pick up guys from the recuitment page just to finish the league. those guys would love to play, even if they lose, its all fun

TL;DR? simple: get people: finish the league, then fuck off and fold

For the 1000th time, the argument that unlocks provide wonderful new “strategies” that make the game more skillful is false, and a common misconception among those who don’t understand competitive TF2 very well. It really doesn’t take skill to swap an item in response to another one that your opponent is using.

TF2 already has enough possible strategies in the vanilla+medlocks game and if you can’t see that, then the answer is simply to get good. Unlocks only serve to make the game more chaotic by introducing unnecessary random variables.

Now onto the team folding thing. The top teams are there for a reason, that is they want to win. If they wanted to play for fun and didn’t mind getting dicked 5-0 every map while using 2 pyros, then they wouldn’t be at the top in the first place.

It’s also not so easy to recruit when there are maybe only 1 or 2 candidates suitable to play at the level you want, and often they turn out to be ragers or emos. It’s very rare to find the right person for your team, you can’t just replace someone from the recruitment page like you suggest.

Your view is clearly that from a lower level of TF2 and that’s fine, but please don’t pretend to speak for the whole community by your fail attempt at a “truth bomb”.

And another thing, you really should care about unlocks if you care about TF2. It completely changes the way the game is played, and the issue has the potential to decide it’s future as a competitive game.

Quoted from kuma

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For the 1000th time, the argument that unlocks provide wonderful new “strategies” that make the game more skillful is false, and a common misconception among those who don’t understand competitive TF2 very well. It really doesn’t take skill to swap an item in response to another one that your opponent is using.

TF2 already has enough possible strategies in the vanilla+medlocks game and if you can’t see that, then the answer is simply to get good. Unlocks only serve to make the game more chaotic by introducing unnecessary random variables.

Now onto the team folding thing. The top teams are there for a reason, that is they want to win. If they wanted to play for fun and didn’t mind getting dicked 5-0 every map while using 2 pyros, then they wouldn’t be at the top in the first place.

It’s also not so easy to recruit when there are maybe only 1 or 2 candidates suitable to play at the level you want, and often they turn out to be ragers or emos. It’s very rare to find the right person for your team, you can’t just replace someone from the recruitment page like you suggest.

Your view is clearly that from a lower level of TF2 and that’s fine, but please don’t pretend to speak for the whole community by your fail attempt at a “truth bomb”.

And another thing, you really should care about unlocks if you care about TF2. It completely changes the way the game is played, and the issue has the potential to decide it’s future as a competitive game.

u fuckin noob azn

Quoted from kitas

PREM SAID VANILLA EVERYONE SAY VANILLA ( even if they like unclocks they say vanilla) unclocks makes tf2 more flexible, if u cant just fait with it then why u r playing in this season? it would be better not with 350 teams but with 200??? JUST DO LIKE PREM DOING – DONT PLAY IN A SEASON.

next step – ban heavy, it makes lot people angry when u r killing with him.

just thought i’d bump this once again, someone bump it on page 20 or something

Question: Does the EU or the US have a more healthy scene? Which is growing/shrinking fastest?

Find out and the answer lies within. If US is sprouting new teams left and right and a healthy influx of new players then WHAMMO! If not then….ermmm..DOUBLE WHAMMO!

Thing is, a common ruleset for ALL TF2 leagues would have to be a benficial thing. Do other games have different rule-sets for different leagues? I have no idea, but I bet some of you do…