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what the fuck make a fucking poll on main page already and there you go innit

Tbh i am in favour of banning the fan even if i was a scout coz the scatterguns alot better to use anyway. plus if all it does is make people moan on about it then whats the point since half the community will want it and the other dont, itl just keep shifting in arguments and waste time.

With all due respect, I don’t get your argument. You’re saying that the scattergun is a lot better… so ban the FaN? If you are suggesting that the FaN is not as good as the scattergun, why would it bother you that people use it? Besides, something should not be banned because it’s “worse” or “better” than something else. There has to be a pure, logical and thought-out reason behind the decision. This is why I’m against the public poll. I cannot condone or support a decision to ban something purely because it’s “better” or, as a lot of people have suggested, it’s “annoying” — which is what I’m guessing a significant portion of the ‘Yes’ votes will boil down to. Shit, as a demoman, I find scouts annoying full-stop — should we just ban the lot of them? No. Because we work on a way to counter them.

Valve had admitted that the FaN needs tweaking and will likely address it in the next patch. If the ‘stun’ effect is removed and the kick-back works like it’s supposed to, will the argument disappear? Unlikely… people have made up their minds and this community appears to be adverse to the concept of change. However, if this vote does go ahead it should not be posted until the patch is released unless deadlines are approaching for Season 6. It deserves a fair trial.

If the ban passes… well, it just goes to show that if enough people throw enough shit at a wall, eventually something’s going to stick.

thats cause springer is imba.

and what a lot of the “embrace change or tf2 will die” people seem to forget.
All these updates for weapons are aimed for the general public play. There is nno play testing of how it affects competitive play before hand.

If the comp community would play the game as it came orig. out there would be no class limits.
Its the reaction to the imbalances and fun spoiling elements of public play that kept the comp. community alive and made it grow.

I mean, 2 demos would have been ok as well, jsut run 2 demos urself. But dying of sticky traps and being owned by nade spam amde the community go for 1 demo.

Same with the fan, if enough people get pissed off by it it will get banned. If not, then it wont get banned.

Simple isnt it?
And calling other people who dislike the fan to the point of hating it “shit on the wall throwers” just shows how egoistical your view is.

I dont know if you have talked about this earlier but why the fuck do you slow down when you are running forward and get shot in the back? Someone has to fix the strange knockbacks.

My opinion: the Force of nature (FAN) IS overpowered.

The FAN dominates all classes at close range. Soldiers, other scouts, demos and medics. Your aim cannot be adjusted automatically by the FAN knockback because where your crosshair lands is completely random. For me my crosshair is usually at the sky making me completely dis-orientated. This combined with the FAN’s second shot taking 0.1 seconds to fire and being suspended in the air like a BIG TARGET SAYING SHOOT ME; means by the time you adjust your crosshair to aim at the scout your dead.

Another point: 2 shotting a medic with uber has become considerably easier for scouts with the FON because of the fast fire rate. I have seen medics die far more often with ubers due to the FAN.

Now this makes the FAN sound powerful. BUT I HAVEN’T FINISHED YET!

Imagine how powerful a gun would be, if it could shoot a soldier off a crate on Granary middle from the other side of the map. Well LOLZ that gun is the FAN.

So we have established that the FAN is extremerly powerful at close range. Fair enough, the strengths of its close range abilities should be high to reward a scout with good movement (ninja) and decision making skills.

However even retard scouts can command centre point by standing on their health pack shooting at the enemy soldier defending the crate.

At medium range, the FAN does equal if not more damage to a scatter gun. At long range, the damage is low, but it still knocks back the player. This makes the target more vunerable to other damage from spam, or knocks them off crucial points (gran boxes, spire etc etc).

I STILL HAVEN’T FINISHED. Oh and I need to mention their jumping and speed abilities. I’ve seen scouts basically bunnyhop away from players due to this gun.

I fucking hate this gun and I wish it were dead. It is seriously over-powered.

it’s FaN (Force a Nature) kthx

Sorry Cheetah.

I’m on Page 22 now!

I HAVE seen games won and influenced soley by the fan. I have seen scouts Double in significance for their team and in individual skill due to the fan. This is all at the top level of play!

Also, the fan looks exactly the same as the scatter gun, so how do you know wtf your fighting against? People mention adapting to the fan. How do you adapt to the fan if it could be a scatter gun?

Take 2×110 damage shots to find out if it’s a fan, then “change”/”adapt”/”L2P” against it – oh shit too late I’m fucking 2 shotted dead in 1 second from 200hp.

Scenario: Running round a corner in Granary as a sol with 200hp, meet a scout with fan round the corner. We are facd2face. The scout shoots me first due to his quicker rate of fire, I shoot a rocket in the top right of my screen (where my cross hair is), the scout finishes me off with his second shot while I’m in suspense.

Conclusion: I have fired 1 rocket at the sky, the scout has fired 2 shots. The scout has 125hp, Soldier = dead. The scout is the heavy class, the soldier is a useless piece of shit.

Even if I hit the scout with my first rocket in the example above, with the self-damage I would of died anyway.

And yes, this sometimes happens when you come against a scatter gun, but scatter gun has a slower rate of fire, does less damage and doesn’t fuck your aim up. So it happens far less frequently.

Edit: After reading Nubonamission being a prick, I would like to plea: Ban this gun before Nubonamission becomes the best scout in Europe. That would be a disaster and complete lolz

The only people for the FAN are:

People who play at a low level, against scouts with bad aim and so rarely encounter its potential.
Admins who don’t want to change anything as much as they can help it.
Scouts who have average aim, quite clever and are much better players with the gun.

Everyone else fucking hates it.