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Quoted from AcidReniX

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So you would rather have a game that is often determined by who can jump to middle correctly and get an instant positional advantage, rather than who can skillfully combat the enemy at the actual control point.

Hmm. Am I the only one who doesn’t care if soldiers arrive at middle with 300 HP. Am I the only one who doesn’t care if soldiers can get to middle easier / faster on one particular map? I’d rather see teams arrive at the point on equal terms, and then have the best team win the mid fight, rather than just who got the best rollout.

I would prefer having the team with the best rollout and the best mid strat win, not just a team who can do 1 of those correctly

Quoted from AcidReniX

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So you would rather have a game that is often determined by who can jump to middle correctly and get an instant positional advantage, rather than who can skillfully combat the enemy at the actual control point.

Hmm. Am I the only one who doesn’t care if soldiers arrive at middle with 300 HP. Am I the only one who doesn’t care if soldiers can get to middle easier / faster on one particular map? I’d rather see teams arrive at the point on equal terms, and then have the best team win the mid fight, rather than just who got the best rollout.

well if you say the best team > more skillful team then you should include rollout factor, since it requires quite of skills to do ir correctly.

Also I understand how you do not see any disadvantages in cinnamon, as I believe you play scout. Not starting a class discussion, but scout class has the less chances to get into “I can no do anything at this point” situation. Ye I play most op class, but demo is also the class that can get into those situations when you have no way to deal with it. I’m referring especially to equalizer: you damage the solly and keep mid distance, after big battle you don’t have much stuff reloaded and you reload -> shoot, and immediately he pulls his eq and charges to you leaving you helpless.

The point is not to complain that sollies kill me, but to say that certain unlocks when used leave no possible way to do something for opponent.

Quoted from AcidReniX

So you would rather have a game that is often determined by who can jump to middle correctly and get an instant positional advantage

Yes.

Hmm. Am I the only one who doesn’t care if soldiers arrive at middle with 300 HP.

Yes.

Am I the only one who doesn’t care if soldiers can get to middle easier / faster on one particular map?

Yes.

I’d rather see teams arrive at the point on equal terms, and then have the best team win the mid fight, rather than just who got the best rollout.

I on the other hand, would much rather see the most overall skilled team win.

Quoted from AcidReniX

I guess I don’t put to much value on praising a team for being better at travelling from the respawn to the mid CP. There was me thinking that arriving at the same time, both with full HP and then winning the fight required more skill than the skills needed to rocket jump slightly better, and then have a positional advantage right off the bat.

But it isn’t either/or. Without the equalizer, both teams need to do both of those things correctly to win. Rocket jumping is one of the most interesting movement mechanics out of all FPS games, it was a huge thing in Quake and it’s a huge thing in TF2. It’s not even like jumping to mid properly is a particularly difficult thing to do.

But I guess more importantly, I don’t care about soldiers arriving at the same time with full HP and each jumping on each other’s medic. That’s what the metagame of TF2 has become… if you don’t like it, maybe you should be pro unlocks, since the direct hit (or a number of other unlocks) would drastically reduce the effectiveness of this strat… more so than a soldier arriving with slightly less health.

Or we could just get rid of the equalizer which massively increases the risk of this tactic. It’s a completely valid strategy and I’m not saying we should try to get rid of it, It’s just that having it happen every single round is incredibly boring.

Hey guys, I can do medic rollouts!

Quoted from Skyride

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But it isn’t either/or. Without the equalizer, both teams need to do both of those things correctly to win. Rocket jumping is one of the most interesting movement mechanics out of all FPS games, it was a huge thing in Quake and it’s a huge thing in TF2. It’s not even like jumping to mid properly is a particularly difficult thing to do.

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Or we could just get rid of the equalizer which massively increases the risk of this tactic. It’s a completely valid strategy and I’m not saying we should try to get rid of it, It’s just that having it happen every single round is incredibly boring.

+1

Quoted from Tapley ❤

The damage buff has been nerfed by valve and anyone intelligent can avoid dieing from an equalizer. Its just a weapon that makes Solider a less boring and shit class to play tbh.

And allows you to flee from situations where your poor gamesense has taken you and where you would normally die. (Get punished for your misread of the situation)