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Ok warmfront. An ugly decompiled reskin with a few changes.

It is still the same bland map it was in the AFS season, and of course it is, not much has changed in it. I don’t get why it was included in this map pool. It can’t be from the lack of maps to chose from. Snakewater was a possibility, viaduct would probably be an even better choice. I’d go as far to say that freight would be better (well, a lot of people like freight somehow, I don’t).

And I personally don’t mind playing it really slow and making it boring, if you ever played TvT in Brood War with me you know that (hi weiman :D), but it’s just not good for the game as a whole.

It’s a joke that this map can be in the map pool over Viaduct. People moan that Viaduct is too strong for snipers. Well, why include Warmfront then?

You can headshot anyone who is standing on the high ledge on mid, all the way from the small tunnel at second. You can snipe someone coming out of the right spawndoor on last by standing on second.

If any map is strong for snipers, it’s this map. So why does this map end up in the map pool over Viaduct then?

I’m not saying Viaduct should be in the map pool (although it should be!), but it’s just stupid that one of the main arguments against Viaduct is completely ignored for Warmfront.

Snipers aren’t the only problem on this map, there’s a lot more wrong with it. What I meant with my post is that pretty much the main argument against Viaduct is completely ignored for Warmfront, even though snipers are probably even stronger on Warmfront :)

Quoted from Arnold

[…]Popularity just isn’t a way to judge the quality of a map.

But, popularity is a way to judge what people want.

Quoted from Enef

The only issue i had with warmfront was the clipping issues. Getting caught on bits of scenery and dying because of it isn’t acceptable. It’s dumb. If it looks like i can walk up a ramp don’t let me get caught on a tiny invisible ledge sticking out of it.

+1

Quoted from Johs

But, popularity is a way to judge what people want.

“We’re going to judge if popularity is how we should judge things based on how popular it is”.

Nice logic.

Warmfront isn’t horrible. It has a pretty unique playstyle to it. I don’t think we’ve seen a proper metagame for it yet.

Take what people are saying about sniper. I get this vibe that the OP is suggesting sniper is overpowered on this map. I actually disagree, despite my success on this map.

Yes, a sniper can rollout to the far left and pick off a demoman that goes cliff side. This is actually beneficial to the map, otherwise it simply creates a standard, single route to middle that players must take. With no threat to a demoman going cliff, every demoman would go there, which would force every combo to go right. The only variety would be double guessing that the enemy combo would go right, and not bother sending your demoman cliff side at all.

The sniper allows your team to take control of that left side and gives an alternative mid fight.

Next, the sniper isn’t actually that strong on middle apart from controlling the left hand cliff. If you do send your sniper to the far left, you have to delay your run to zoom and aim. If no one goes there, it takes quite a while to then get to a position where you can be of any use, and even in that position, your visability is limited as there are a lot of obsticals in the way. The mid fight can potentially be over before you get there.

If you send your sniper far far right, the only viable shots you have on the enemy is again the far left cliff, or if someone jumps up to your cliff. This position is slightly better as it means you can then run up your cliff and get shots on the team over on the right hand side, but even rolling out to the far right is so rediculously slow, the enemy team could have won the fight by then.

I think the sniper’s main power is on the final CP. It can be ok on the 2nd CP, if you go into their base via the far left ramp, but it isn’t too hard to pressure that position.

The final CP as said above is a sniper’s heaven. The enemy can’t sit too close to the doors, because by standing by any one single door, you have several blind spots to the other doors. This allows an attacking sniper to choose a door, walk up, and try for a pick, while easily being covered by his team mates. Snipers also rock on the last CP on defence. You can sit in the door and look out through the one-way glass. When you see an enemy, you open the door and shoot. While I think the sniper is good on the 1st/last CP, spies are 10000x better.

I don’t think warmfront is a bad map. The midfights are quite interesting. It’s just a different style of map to play, not really a bad one.