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Quoted from CrashSite

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I thought that before I posted, it is because a. people who agree don’t visit forums b. people are having fun watching me try and do this c. ppl are lazy d. you are right

C.
We also realise that you won’t get anywhere discussing this with these guys. Noone is going to change their mind about vanilla or the equalizer, and most people actually participating in this discussion are not willing to compromise.

Quoted from Dummy

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just a question about “especially the higher you go” how can you say this if youve never been higher? inb4 you havent either, i havent either, but xzr and the rest have
vanilla:
fuck up rollouts, enemy team rewarded with 600 hp instead of e.g 500 on mid.
equaliser:
unable to do rollout correctly: use equaliser, 600 hp vs 600 hp even if enemy team was more skillfull in their jumps.
im sure you will agree that running is easier than doing jumps

Depending on which map and which jump, it can result in lost mid. But my stand on this is that jumps are rarely failed so this is a moot point. It just allows sollys to have a larger presence on mid.

I have watched games in higher Divs, those who do use equaliser and this is what I am basing it on. That and the assumption that everyone is claiming to be better than me and I don’t fail my jumps, hence they must no fail either.

Quoted from Dummy

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I heard in competitive tf2 they not only use bullets but also rockets, stickies, nades. also, harder to hit a quicker target with bullets

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every class has its role, he is weakest only if u try to use him as a scout or a demo

Yes it is harder, hence why it is a buff. Demos do more dmg than sollys, scouts are much more flexible, do massive dmg and can cap and move easier. Hence weakest.

Quoted from kuma

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Do I really need to spell it out?

Manual Rollouts
1. You can do a slow rollout to get to mid with fully buffed soldiers
2. You can do a fast rollout to get to mid with one soldier not fully buffed

Choosing which you do is a strategy, and it requires some skill to do all jumps correctly without taking excessive damage so you actually get to mid fully buffed.

Equalizer Rollout
Slam your mouse onto your table and get to mid fully buffed without any hassle.

How does the equalizer ITSELF reward aggressive play? You can do the same thing with or without it. When backing out, you need tighter timing to retreat making the shovel more skillful to use.

Let me give you an example of a weapon that rewards skill:
Raped Idiot
Increases your damage by 4% for every successful hit you make on the enemy. Missing a shot decreases your damage by 4%. Stacks up to 5 times.

Do you see the difference between a weapon that makes you better by failing, and one that makes you better by doing something skillful?

Yes both sollys get to mid with more health, faster and with more health and still they don’t dominate mids.

Lets say the enemy has good positioning of medic, hard to jump, with equaliser you can still for him and still have the chance to get out, it requires skill to this. I agree it does give an element to some parts of bad sollys play, but a team that is better will not let this stop them.

Quoted from Brass_Monkey

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C.
We also realise that you won’t get anywhere discussing this with these guys. Noone is going to change their mind about vanilla or the equalizer, and most people actually participating in this discussion are not willing to compromise.

Yeah but I love to argue, tbh I would agree against the other side if everyone was pro-unlocks. As I said I am in the middle.

Quoted from xzr

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It’s Team Fortress. Solly might be weak at some situations, but if you can actually play it you can make yourself useful in so many ways. A fair few teams have pocket sollies top
scoring on a every match basis.

Yes but it was the roamer, who will use equaliser more, who needed the buff more.

Quoted from xzr

I want an unlock for demo so that I don’t have to sweat with my jumps and still get to mid fast :(

Point was demo is powerdul enough, solly needed buff.