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Quoted from caned

reading some of the arguments here you’d think taking out a medic would be as easy as slapping the gunboats on arriving to mid early and pew pew.

this is not the case <_< gunboats are a huge risk imo, you can completely fail because of them.

Quoted for truth. Frankly the TF2 community have always been utter shit at theory.

Anyway in my opinion the gunboats are perfectly balanced, they allow a soldier to gain added mobility and speed for the price of removing one of his core weapons that’s a pretty fair trade off in my opinion.

Most soldiers practice airshot’s and most soldiers are able to use a shotgun and if that doesn’t work our medics do have the ability to dodge I honestly don’t see the issue with the boots.

Also while were on the subject I’d like to add that IF the GRU are allowed in season 9 then the gunboats and GRU will counter each other as the heavy will be at mid quick enough to defend his medic. That’s just a random insight :)

Quoted from Hat

it should :(

also the counter to gunboats is the medic not being stupid, correct positioning & good dodging > 2 rockets

which is already the case?

+1

all you need is good medic!

Quoted from alfa

maybe as we have such a big league and so many people, the admins know that by allowing them, there would be alot of controversy.

to use tordens analogy, the conservatives seem to have won. don’t get me wrong i’m not gonna stay up and cry at night cuz i can’t use the gunboats, hell i barely use them, and the admin team have done a great job with the map pool and organizing the season.

just that every other banned weapon has pretty much been agreed by everyone (or a huge percentage of people) to slow the game down or generally fuck it up and make it less enjoyable, yet the gunboats have no huge drawback, makes some interesting plays, and everyone can easily acquire them thanks to the new update.

above all i’d just like to hear what the reason behind the ban is.

Quoted from Buffalo Bill

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As we have said numerous times, it’s because its counters have been banned.

TDH is probably never going to be altered to a point where it doesn’t have a game slowing effect on 6v6 though. Even if you remove the mini crits on airborne targets part of it, it’s still alot easier to get airshots with it, and tweaking the speed reduces it’s ability to perform airshots on faster moving targets.

Natasha might get it’s slow effect changed in how it’s applied, but then for atleast the mid fight the heavy would need GRU to get there in time to stop a gunboats soldier. And even with GRU the timeframe for a heavy to stop a gunboats solly on mid is really small, I mean with enough practice a gunboats soldier can get to mid at the same time or just behind the demo. GRU makes the heavy run at demo speeds, so he’d arrive just after the medic.

Quoted from caned

i see more people in this thread who want the gunboats unbanned than those who are strongly objected to the use of them in the season.

Would you post in a complaints thread if your favourite weapon was NOT banned? Those people are just happy and don’t see a need to post – their wishes have been fulfilled!

Quoted from erratic

Let me just ask you guys one thing. What do you counter a roaming soldier with on mid when hes jumping your team on 260 health with his RL loaded, and his shotgun loaded. do you pull out TDH, Natasha? no you fuck him up in the air, you say on comms”Soldier jumping” and everybody target focuses that flying fuck till he dies.

Now, if its a gunboats soldier, no one can suddenly hit him! hes invincible! oh my god! those 30 health will sure give him a large advantage, when hes throwing away half his damage output!

it’s not always about the mid battle. and the problem at mid is that he gets there while half your team are still doing their rollouts.

Quoted from Wiiking

gunboats and equ is for sollies who cant positioning correct. Learn to play the game

whenever you use equ you run into trains 8)