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Quoted from Admirable

I would like to see the format proposed by F2, but at the same time I agree with the sentiment of Darn.

I would like to hear the opinions of the teams who show up every LAN with no expectations of being placed.

Are we just talking taking them out of the groups then? If that’s the case, then actually I think it would work quite well. Give us a flavour of what to expect later on (semis, finals) if they round-robin Friday.

Generally speaking, for the teams that aren’t expecting to place, there will still probably be a couple of ‘good’ teams in each group, so the 5-0 games are still going to be there.

If you can tie that well enough back into the tree later on then it sound good – although would it mean effectively only one team from each group going through, rather than two? I’m not sure how many groups we’ll have, but there are teams that have lost during groups before to go and beat their group winner later on. I like that almost ‘upset’.

I think Darn is right but the schedule at LAN is usually absolutely rammed, and given the unique opportunity on the top end etc. I think it’s probably worth a try.

One of the main reasons I wanted to go to i46 is that there is a chance i can play against the staaaaaaarz! Would love to play against the best and have some fun actually xD
But I can understand F2 also. :)

I do agree that we should try to find a system whereby the likes of Epsilon, Infused, TCM, Mixup and LG (if they make it) all play each other in casted games.

Also I’d like the idea of some vanilla/extv combination casts (i.e.) extine and pledge or something like that.

How many casters are extv hoping to send across the pond?

I think it all boils down to who Multiplay want to keep happy. The paying customers attending the LAN and looking forward to the chance of a kill on a pro or winning a mid maybe or the sponsors who would probably love to see a whole load of games between the top teams getting casted and probably large numbers watching from both sides of the pond.

I don’t think there is a way of changing the main tournament to incorporate more matches between the top teams, I mean, what would they be playing for? Not sure seeding preference would mean much.

I say playing a round robin tournament is about the only way to go. Get them all to play each other and the top 2 play a final. Any monies left over from the eXtv fundraisaing could be used as prize money? When you squeeze that in is another problem I suppose, but add some cash to the pot and I’m sure gaps in peoples schedules could be found…

make 2 tourneys ish?

Invitation tourney, big teams.
Open tourney, everyone els.

Winners of open go to invite.

Dunno if there is time for stuff like that but dunno, figure something out for the streams

Things that need to be decided are how many teams would be in this elite group?
Are they just fighting for seedings?
Amalgamation of the two tournaments for the knockout rounds? We need 16 teams promoted. Say if there is 4 in the elite group we need 12 from the normal which means if there is 60 teams you’d need 2 promoted from 6 groups of 10 ( would take too long) or 1 promoted from 12 groups of 5 (only 1 team promoted in each group so seeding for pretty much every half decent mix teams team needs to be accurate or queue tons of whine that people only got to play 4 games :]).
What if other prem teams complain they arn’t allowed in the elite group?
What if people complain of unfair treatment for “elite” teams?

I’m sure most people won’t complain and i’m just playing devils advocate but i get all the whine usually directed at me :].Its all well and good everyone saying to do it, but it needs to be thought about how first.

Quoted from Nmx

make 2 tourneys ish?

Invitation tourney, big teams.
Open tourney, everyone els.

Winners of open go to invite.

I do really like this idea but, as has been pointed out, it has the potential to be an absolute nightmare if there’s no clear divide between the “big” teams and everyone else. I also don’t know what the rules are regarding how tournaments are run — are the admins allowed to essentially decide the rule-set themselves or are their guidelines from Multiplay on how the structure is set?

My opinion, for whatever it’s worth, on the matter: having attended quite a few iSeries events now and taken part in my fair share of TF2 tournaments, it was once a bit of a laugh to play against the top teams as a lower-division competitor. I can imagine those that haven’t had the chance and are into the scene will find it really exciting. However, now that I’ve had my arse handed to me over and over again, I’d rather not suffer the inevitable 5-0 and just go grab a drink from the bar. ;)

Ultimately, as has been said before, it’s about what’s best for the community. It’s been said time-and-time again that there’s never been a better chance to showcase just how incredible top-level matches between EU teams can be — and then there’s the potential of US teams being thrown into the mix. This is a chance we can’t allow to pass us by without taking full advantage.

Someone also mentioned that the schedule can get a little busy — especially if matches run over, teams are late, etc. Removing the top-seeded teams (who could be doing other community-related stuff like interviews, hyping the latter stages, etc, while we’re all playing in the group stages) will allow the weaker teams to still have their fun while reducing the burden of a heavy schedule for those that make it through to the early stages of the knock-outs.

Wow… that was longer than intended. :)