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Well, I don’t know, but about 90% of people who tested it in pickups and the TFTrue cup told me that the scout is op now, because you can 2 shot all the time at mid range.

Haza and I tried the damages earlier, scattergun was doing 50 damage consistently from mid range, normal shotguns (sol etc) were doing 60 from the same distance.

I duelled tumpel after and out of about 50 kills only one seemed a bit suspect with regards to high damage midrange shots.

Personally I think these “overpowered meatshots” are bs :)

why is that overpowered? 50-60 is normal… a meatshot does much more than that, and even so a demo or a medic can survive to 2 mid shots.
the only class that still is killed with 2mid shots is the scout but well those r the same conditions for both ‘-.-
dont see any point in nerfing that, if we are gonna reduce the damage dealt by a scout we had to dot it for every class other wise would be unbalanced…
when there r so many ppl crying for a nerf on a demo that has no sense ffs.

there are always situations where the tftrue as it is makes the gameplay a little diferent but thats only for good in my pov.
So far I only supported “no random damage” and that’s because random to me as it was is equal to “soft and invisble crit system”.

I may dont even feel that I was unfairly killed but I want to be certain that no random damage variation was the reason for my “epic fail”. the same for when I do a massive kill, so I can tell that was SKILL. Play the game for gameplay…

mod sucks mega balls.
I’d rather get 1 shot by a demo than use it.
That is all

awesome mod
love it

Jaeger_

Where is the source code for this TFTrue Pro Mod? It might be just fine or it might be buggy as all hell. Either way I don’t think we should use this unless its code is peer reviewed

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So I finally tried this thing and either it still has random damage or it has random spread which might as well be the same thing.

I turned off random damage turned spawned a soldier bot backed into the wall turned on mimic and had the bot shoot me with the shotgun by binding +attack to enter. The damage the bot did to me varied drastically. Here are a few samples.

http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/711/dmhardcore0001in1.jpg
http://img165.imageshack.us/img165/2456/dmhardcore0002bz7.jpg
http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/6596/dmhardcore0003mk6.jpg

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taken from gotfrag:

http://www.gotfrag.com/tf2/forums/thread/383889/

It should be taken to a vote.. but it’s difficult to do. An open vote on ETF2L would result in probably 90% of the voters having never played TFTrue and simply deciding they do or don’t like it for whatever reason. An invite vote with only certain clans or divisions would enrage those not invited..

Personally I think another two or three one-night TFTrue cups should be run. Any clan that has played in the TFTrue cups should be allowed to vote – if you can’t be arsed to enter the cups, you forfeit your right to voting. Possibly do a TFTrue cup for the lower divisions only too so they can get some balanced games to see how they enjoy it.

I’m starting to like the TFTrue mod more and more. The only negative I can see in its usage is implementation/maintenance. I personally believe, as Riemu pointed out, that the source code must be made accessible to competent coders within ETF2L. For the reasons of keeping script kiddies at bay I wouldn’t make it openly available. The mod would be significantly improved if the support/debugging infrastructure was larger and more transparent.