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^airshot is credit to team :D

Hm…
What do you think if:
TDH will not do minicrits when airshot, but when soldier will do an airshot with TDH and in that time medic was healing him – medic will be awarded +25hp or +50hp?

Because when Medic see that solly is doing that, he becomes proud of solly and felt more healthy :P

Made my day, thanks! :)

It still kills scouts in a single shot, even without them being in the air.

My personal opinion about DTH is that it shouldn’t one-shot 4 classes out of 9, at least leave them with 10 hp or something.

3 of those are barely used.
2 of them shouldn’t be in a solly’s range in the first place, at least not in his 1-hitting range.

Whatever Valve decide to do I would hope they don’t change the speed and splash much, as they are currently what makes it different from the RL.

For starters I’d try removing mini-crits.
Even without the buggy airshot recognition it seems like overkill as the weapon already does more damage and requires less prediciton than the RL.
Also I imagine there is a fair amount of complexity involved in making “acceptable” conditions for what is recognised as an airshot, so it might just be best to cut your loses there.

Max damage should be lowered to ~124, mainly because 1 hit kills shouldn’t be available to classes with the versatility of soldier/scout/demo.
For me that is the realm of snipers and spies who are particularly weak in certain situations as a counterpoint to their 1 hit abilities.
We should not forget the outcry from the brief period when demo nades were instagibbing scouts.
By the same argument I would also propose a damage cap on the Equalizer.

So what is the point of the TDH if you remove the instagib damage and mini-crits? You can’t damage groups of enemies effectively! You will have a tough time against (buffed) scouts!
So how can we remove the “annoying” elements from the TDH whilst still giving it some purpose?
Tough question to be honest…

I would try decreasing the damage falloff range, perhaps something like 124 maximum to 75 minimum for direct hits.
The TDH would still have a buff over the RL by dealing more targeted damage at every range giving it an edge in 1v1 versus heavy classes, whilst being less effective at crowd control and dealing with (good) scouts.

The direct hit should only mini-crit on enemies who:
– Are due to take fall damage from their jump.
– Have rocket/sticky jumped.
– Have been launched into the air by enemy weapons.

This should fix the problem of mini-crit registration.

well seeing as they’ve tried to cater to the competitive community ask them why a rolling nade should do more damage than a direct rocket at range, and why 2 years on the demoman still has 8 winbombs. Also ask why the GRU aren’t out, which could literally by themselves bring back the heavy as a viable class on most maps.

And what if the demoman misses his pipe by an inch and the nade rolls on to the back and suddenly does no damage at all ? And what if the the rocket from range misses the target by an inch and lands on the ground and the target receives splash damage ?

Just pointing out a different point of view…

Whatever Valve decide to do I would hope they don’t change the speed and splash much, as they are currently what makes it different from the RL.

For starters I’d try removing mini-crits.
Even without the buggy airshot recognition it seems like overkill as the weapon already does more damage and requires less prediciton than the RL.
Also I imagine there is a fair amount of complexity involved in making “acceptable” conditions for what is recognised as an airshot, so it might just be best to cut your loses there.

Max damage should be lowered to ~124, mainly because 1 hit kills shouldn’t be available to classes with the versatility of soldier/scout/demo.
For me that is the realm of snipers and spies who are particularly weak in certain situations as a counterpoint to their 1 hit abilities.
We should not forget the outcry from the brief period when demo nades were instagibbing scouts.
By the same argument I would also propose a damage cap on the Equalizer.

So what is the point of the TDH if you remove the instagib damage and mini-crits? You can’t damage groups of enemies effectively! You will have a tough time against (buffed) scouts!
So how can we remove the “annoying” elements from the TDH whilst still giving it some purpose?
Tough question to be honest…

I would try decreasing the damage falloff range, perhaps something like 124 maximum to 75 minimum for direct hits.
The TDH would still have a buff over the RL by dealing more targeted damage at every range giving it an edge in 1v1 versus heavy classes, whilst being less effective at crowd control and dealing with (good) scouts.

Admirable is correct.

However, I would like to add a possible tweak to the minicrit for a clearer definition of what an airshot is. This definition will contain 2 conditions, where either condition can be met for it to be recognized as an airshot.

Condition 1. A player who is airborne due to any form of enemy or friendly damage (stickies, scattergun, rockets, etc.).

Condition 2. If a player loses contact with the ground, the player has to go higher or lower than one height of a hitbox from his last point of contact with the ground. This means a players falling briefly from an edge, jumping, dropping from train to ground on badlands mid, etc. will not count as an airshot. However, players falling from, for example, spire will count as an airshot half-way down.