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Me disagreeing with you does not entitle you to disregard points made to whine passive-aggressively and make assumptions of nearsightedness. Believe me, I’m well aware of your sarcasm.

Get off your high horse.

Quoted from Goreston

I honestly don’t think Medigun pickups are a deliberate part of the game Valve are designing. I think they just didn’t consider comp at all when they added the mechanic. Pickups are disabled in MVM.

Sorry G man, but:
1) The fact it is in the game itself means it doesn’t matter what you think Valve’s intentions are, it’s here and we have to deal with it now. Also, the evidence that it was added in a previous update and is actually part of TF2 right now kind of tells me they intend to use it, you can’t blow something off that is actually HERE in the game and say “I don’t think they wanna use it though…” based on what? If they change it or remove it, great we’ll go back to how it was no problems but it’s part of the game and the admins have to make a big decision today but take into account the direction of the game for the next few years and not focus on the complaining from a bunch of old school gamers.

2) MVM is not competitive TF2, end of.

Quoted from Fuxx

Me disagreeing with you does not entitle you to disregard points made to whine passive-aggressively and make assumptions of nearsightedness. Believe me, I’m well aware of your sarcasm.

Get off your high horse.

Why not? You’re disregarding all the points I’ve made. I’m arguing that the double donk mechanic forces medics to treat spam angles with the same deference as sniper lanes, which means that, instead of just a sniper pick, teams now have to get a sniper and a demo pick, or be forced to use their uber stupidly early.

Your response is that this is only true on certain maps and certain points. Well so what? It’s not like you’re tied to any one loadout for the season, or even for the map.

Also, pyro has airblast so my argument is invalid and ironic, or something.

The other main point I made was that the amount of damage you take from the Loose Cannon is impossible to read until it hits you. Adysky pointed out that this is true of a bunch of other weapons, which is a fair point. I do, however, want to point out that the only other weapon where the difference between min and max damage is enough to drop a medic is the sniper rifle.

No-one’s yet come forward to say the Loose Cannon isn’t bullshit, only that it’s only bullshit for some maps or some parts of maps, or that other things are also bullshit, so it doesn’t matter.

Quoted from Goreston

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So, on Viaduct, would these trade offs be something that would make the demo think “Shit, I wish I was running pipes right now”

yes

bogHL

Quoted from adysky

Beggars:
Sacrificing consistant short range damage for a counter to pyro. Honestly, its just a sidegrade. Only effective if enemy teams medic positioning is bad and heavy cant track mid air targets in case you decide to bomb with it.

Doubt there’s a heavy better at tracking than SUZY, who has confirmed there is a point where beggars soldier jumps so high that by the time he has reloaded and fired 3 rockets (an has fallen to a range he can be killed — and is killed at that point), the 3 rockets he launched killed the medic. Doesn’t matter how good your tracking is. Some maps have a skybox high enough to jump so quickly, so high to a spot where you can safely reload and launch 3 where the heavy doesn’t do enough damage to kill the soldier who was 300 when they started. Yes, I’m talking specifically about playing against Hartz on Badwater in an official xd But I’m for it being allowed, and the reserve shooter, and the short circuit. Learn, adjust, evolve, become better. no?

Quoted from adysky

gullywash > any other 5cp
ashvile > warmtic
steel is fine

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Quoted from Hildreth

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Also, the evidence that it was added in a previous update and is actually part of TF2 right now kind of tells me they intend to use it, you can’t blow something off that is actually HERE in the game

I do agree with Henry here, though the logical path may not end where it should end. With this reasoning, do you agree that every weapon should be allowed because Valve made them part of the game and they are here to stay? Because the reasoning is the same, against some unlocks and against medi gun pickups. You gave the example of the new-to-comp gamer arriving at ETF2L’s doorstep and stripped of learned game mechanics:

Quoted from Hildreth

think 2 years from now when new to comp players are used to playing Valve servers with the mechanic added to the game and then come to competitive TF2 and see it’s been disallowed because “A few years ago when it was added, some people in competitive TF2 didn’t like it so it got banned”. If we’re doing this logic can we ban Pyros?

I fully agree that we should be playing the game using the weapons and mechanics the game creators implemented. Allow medi gun pickups, allow all weapons, S9 will be a revolutionary season!

Feel the fear and do it anyway, nerds!

Quoted from Feri

Okay, Hildreth convinced me, maybe we are trying to change the game Valve is making too much, separating pub from competitive even more might be a bad idea if we want more new players, that’s true.

Goreston pretty much busted that stupid attitude with the random crits counter. New people have some common sense, they’re prolly able to figure out why x is banned on their own and if not they can look at the examples people have already been giving as to why it can be a questionable feature.