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MN could have a point if there was any pressure on people to join the TC mumble once the lobby started. If I join a no-mumble lobby it’s because I specifically don’t want to talk to people.

I keep getting “read timed out” when trying to create a lobby. What’s up?

Quoted from fraac

MN could have a point if there was any pressure on people to join the TC mumble once the lobby started. If I join a no-mumble lobby it’s because I specifically don’t want to talk to people.

They were “kindly invited” – no pressure. We’ve been doing this for years (back into tf2lobby days). We sit on mumble with eachother while we shoot eachother in a lobby. If people want to tag along, great, if not, also great. We’re not a hostile community (well, I thought so anyway until this happened – some of the guys here have scared even me! :D)

Quoted from quell

i know tc people are open about inviting people to their mumble but you can’t really blame MN (who has no clue who you guys are) for being more than a little frustrated when he misinterprets the situation as yet another bunch of people that make mumble such a lackluster experience for some people on center.

The lobby was created with the mumble option set as not required.

And yes, I insist.

Nice circus here. But need more insistence

Quoted from Trath

Spike you must have done something to upset this MasterNoob guy, because he felt a need to share that “ETF2L people are retarded”, he “released a hotfix that banned a bunch of retarded ETF2L guys” and best of all they were “raging at me because I can develop sites like TF2Center and they can’t” with random players in his lobby.

Then the match started. He insta-spawns because “he is the admin”. Then I left.

I just wanted to play TF2 and have some fun, look would you did TC :(

Nah he was a jerk way before that happened

Quoted from Reservoir Dog

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that’s cool, everyone should just see this as a big misunderstanding. no need to make an ant an elephant. everyones loves TC! spike’s being pretty self entitled though LOL

Hi guys. There’s been a lot said here, and I wanted to clarify points raised.

On the subject of the TC mumble, I’ll be the first to say it was handled badly on our part. I’d like to apologise to the TC guys for that. The core issue here is the misunderstanding of what mumble not required means – in the admin team, we have taken it to mean you don’t *need* to join, but are welcome to if you’d like. It seems that this is incorrect in a lot of circumstances, and that it leads to people on various mumbles, and general confusion – particularly for newer players.

As such, we are currently discussing changing the wording and behaviour of this – Mumble Required lobbies will have a lobby channel spawned on the TF2Center mumble servers, and players should be expected to join it. This was one of the core features we had from the start.

Mumble Not Required will be renamed to Mumble Disabled, and lobbies with this option set will not have a mumble channel created. This should appease the players that are looking for a more tf2lobby-esque experience, whilst still allowing players who *do* want mumble (and in my own view and experience, a better quality of game) to have communication via the other options. Additionally it clarifies situations such as the TC one – TF2Center will not provide a mumble for that lobby, and you are free to *suggest* your own.

Regarding the handling of the situation, enforcing of any rules has not needed to happen in general since issues have not come up before. Following on from this, we are working on making sure that any admin decisions are discussed by the wider admin team, before action is taken. This should help ensure that personal feelings and snap decisions are avoided in future, and also means that the decision has the full backing of the admin team.

There has also been a lot of bad press recently surrounding MasterNoob.

Regarding accusations of cheating and hacking – we have had a handful of impersonators on the site using that steam name, hosting lobbies, and trying to give us a bad reputation. We currently have 5 IPs banned because of this, and are taking further actions to try and ensure players cannot impersonate admins on the site. The servers used for lobbies that the real MasterNoob hosts are actually on my server. They have no cheats enabled, and are used frequently to host lobbies throughout the day. If players have actual accusations against any suspected cheaters, then they can be reported on our (new) forum at http://forums.tf2center.com, or directly to someone in the admin team.

He has invested a huge amount of time in the site, was the sole developer for a long time, and is the unofficial team lead in a team of “equals”. He takes a great deal of pride in how well the site has been received by the community, and when players unjustly criticise or go against the general ethos of the site he defends it. This can unfortunately come across as overly aggressive at times. The previously outlined changes to how admin decisions are made should ensure that future incidents are handled in a better manner.