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Interesting read.

Not sure how much it applies to TF2 or ETF2L forums. SC2 is the pinnacle of the e-sport world, in Korea it is a national sport. It is placed well above TF2.

Although I would like to see the comments on news sites and forums to be insightful and less full of bitterness and hate, I would prefer it to come from self-moderation opposed to admins.

Whenever I play a pixel.pickup, I am reminded of how fun the game is, not only the mechanics but the community feel to it. The rage is not there is game and I feel that the people in the community are the same people I would like to be friends with.

So instead of touting the admins to ban those who are deemed to be foolish, instead I would much prefer for people to take an example of how most people play the game, at least in the pickups I play, and be kind. Help others that are not as skilled as you, instead of looking down on them and those who hear them, take their advice without resorting to ‘elitist’ insults.

ETF2L is a community league and so I would like us to represent the fundamentally good community that we are. The idea of admin moderation, those same people that send so much of their time for us; that they should spend more of their time cleaning up after people who should know better is an awful one.

I have committed the same sin that I am preaching against, in a fit of e-rage, I made a post that should probably have stayed in my head. But we can all improve and show that even if you do not like TF2 as a game, we have the best community out there.

I’m not quite sure you read that article CrashSite, but if you did, I’d suggest reading it again because you’ve clearly misunderstood the point.

Teamliquid is a site that was founded on the priniciple of putting a lot of work and thought into anything you post there. You don’t post one line answers, and if it can be answered in one line, it probably wasn’t worth posting in the first place. Everyone should be striving to improve and put work into anything they do or say, that is the point. It’s something I feel is lacking on the ETF2L forums. The Fair poll suggestions thread is a perfect example:

I put forward my idea that I’d spent about 2hrs working on. I even formatted together a nice polished excel spreadsheet to demonstrate how it would practically and mathematically, it was just an idea and if someone had a better/alternative one (which a few did), I would have loved to hear it and debate the pros and cons of each. At the end of the day everyone would be left with a better understanding and we would have some solid choices to look at.

In reality what happened was a bunch of people proposing things that they clearly hadn’t thought through, or spent much more than a couple of minutes thinking about, with either very sketchy details or none at all. They then proceeded to rant that their idea was absolutely the best, discounting all other suggestions based on emotional or otherwise entirely irrational/faulty reasoning. Then along followed the usual foaming mouth crowd with their usual retarded personal agenda’s causing massive amounts of grief.

I’m not saying we should be elitist – I personally always judge statements entirely on the basis of the statement itself for little regard for who said them – it’s just that people should really put a little more work and thought into what they post, and equally there is nothing wrong with giving a little more credit to people who have spent a lot of time contributing.

I would prefer it to come from self-moderation opposed to admins.

That’s exactly my point. The strict moderation on TeamLiquid is just to make sure this happens. People don’t get banned for bad ideas, they get banned for presenting them in a retarded fashion.

If this idea would end up as a ‘get out of jail for free’ card for the prem people to say whatever they fucking want, then i am completely against.
But if it meant that the 2 pages of useless uninformed nerdrage that gets generated in the worthwhile topics, will no longer be there, then im i would like to see this done.

So: if youre going to filter the posts on this forum, then be equally strict to any members, no priveliges to old stinky rotten veterans.

then again this is why tl is full of nerds

This idea would kill etf2l

Edit: nobanplz (((

Quoted from FIR

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they may be nerds but most of them can play it way better than 60% of people out there. the least you can do is give them some form of respect.

Tbh this forum should really just fucking ban people who get so full of themselves, it’ll rid the forums of thousands of stupidly written posts, one of which is quoted above.

because banning everyone who doesn’t give his opinion in a fluffy correct way is right
/sarcasm

but it shoudnt work as a get out of free jail card, the famous idra has been banned many a times because he has been replying with one line badmouth awnsers

edit: something that should happen though, is that forum bans should be not equal to league bans, if someone gets banned from from the forum, it should act as an example for other people.

on TL.net, if you get a warning for a minor offence, your post stays, and you get a red [User was warned for this post] in red at the bottom, but the post remains, same goes for people getting banned except it is banned instead of warned