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Let’s get something clear here, the way I see it, the hate isn’t towards the map maker, nor the map itself, it’s more towards the league.

See, usually unfinished maps shouldn’t be considered too much since the amount of flaws and bugs that could be found in them would require several updating which will result in an inconsistent map form.

You have updated the map ~7 versions from the start of last season, up until now, I mean, I’m not sure if I’m crazy by saying this but, I’d much rather play an already play tested and almost finished map, rather than playing a map which is going through so many problems and flaws that could drastically change all of the sudden.

I think that leagues, and important high-risk matches that teams play, shouldn’t be a place for playtesting such an early version of a map. A map should be playtested in cups, pugs and other places in order for you to get the most stable, consistent and nearly finished version of it so we can play it in a season and know for sure if it’s good or bad.

You can use the “oh it’s not nearly finished so don’t hate it” excuse all you want, but if a league is dumb enough to add an early beta version of a map that had so many flaws that people could spot and require the mapper to change it 7 versions (!) afterwards to make it suite our taste in the next season, then it really isn’t your fault.

If you would compare a well designed map like metalworks, that got all it’s playtesting through mostly pugs and feedback, and once it reached rc, or one of the early rc’s, it got its spot in ESEA and got its playtesting and people didn’t hate the map too much, they liked because it required just small changes in order to make it near perfect for them, yet you have changed so many things, I lost count already.

Hyce, I really appreciate your enthusiasm towards this map, I know this map will turn out for the better some day in the future, I less appreciate ETF2L’s decision making about maps and the quality of them, shame.

BLU 2nd point, next to the logs, you can leak in through by jumping on the rock and you can go to the river and see through the map

While it’s not RC…

http://imgur.com/a/dEeHB

“Logjam is -1/10 on detailing”

“Hyce why don’t you and phi make a map together so you don’t have to detail it”

“This map sucks”

“Aidsjam”

Don’t forget to add Lamps and other light props, because it looks weird how Light comes out of nowhere.

The B17 logroom is much better, I like it alot, it makes holding second much more interesting too, Because it is no longer “rush the shutter”. Seems like most routes are viable now.

Good work Hyce

was quite busy, couldn’t look if it’s the same on the other side:
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=379580485

Quoted from Hyce

Thanks for that as well- fixed.

http://imgur.com/a/f1Pd9

Not an in-game build, but check that out. Should help the only passive or only aggressive plays- a bit of height by the point, and cover to move up with.

You should see the map out later tonight. I’ve got class now- toodles guys!

I don’t like the idea of having those wooden walls on Mid, because as you can see right now, Scout has 4 roofs, 2 rocks, 4 fences that he can jump on already, adding those 2 walls will be a pain in the ass to kill a Scout, with those walls, he doesn’t even have to touch the ground anymore, just jump from Roof to Wall to enemy Roof.

Yes, I appreciate you pointing that out. I’ve gotten about a million messages about it, haha.

The clip brush got corrupted or something and got deleted- not sure how. Oh well.

As for scouts on mid- I can see the concern, but at the same time this should make mid play better otherwise. I’ll look into it further.