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Quoted from Carlos Kaiser

What if…
What if last point was removed completely and the third point was the final one.
(i know that the idea is retarded)

The thing is, if you get wiped quickly on first (defending) then you get pushed back all the way to last most of the time. Hello 2 minute times.

Quoted from unu

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The thing is, if you get wiped quickly on first (defending) then you get pushed back all the way to last most of the time. Hello 2 minute times.

Pretty much this, my silver team can push through the first 3 points of Barnblitz really well, generally 3 minute times but if the team was semi-decent and remembered to not hold a point they’d stupidly lose it would be about 4 minutes.

The map unfortunately needs a last point, just not the last point it currently has.

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5181650/fixed.txt

there’s a list of things that were fixed already (apologies for pictures not being terribly descriptive)

was anything missed/are there any more suggestions? I don’t really feel like scouring through the thread again

Quoted from Popcorp

Remove Planks on upper part of a window so that mobile classes could enter Upper area of 2nd point? ( it’s very difficult via dropdown ) or just make window bigger?

http://imageshack.us/a/img541/165/ytrl.jpg

You don’t take any damage from exploding stickies if you stand below/near that ramp

http://imageshack.us/a/img17/604/o22i.jpg

I think that when you cap 3rd point, BLU should get RED’s 1st spawn, but not 2nd, 2nd would be TOO close to last point and as we know, BLU spawn faster than RED

And btw, you cant enter RED bottom spawn on Last, you can leave it but you cant enter it again

http://i.imgur.com/5dsjpO3.jpg

barnblitz_pro4 released
changelog

• fixed being able to see out of first blu spawn (it was too much work to make the ceiling higher, so instead, taunting there and trying to look out will just show you nothing

• Fixed spawn door on last not being openable by defenders

• Removed lots of none-solid props and some solid ones to decrease the visual clutter and make jumping around a little easier, especially around third point
http://i.imgur.com/gy543Nm.png
http://i.imgur.com/tPoB5tW.png
http://i.imgur.com/2NihtVL.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img829/1331/2nej.jpg

• smoothed out walking around a little so you’ll get stuck on shit a little less
http://i.imgur.com/t0BiUZV.png

• Made a pretty consistant rule of shelves not being jumpable on, before, some could be stood on and some couldn’t even while having the exact same prop model (such as these, left could be stood on while right couldn’t)
http://i.imgur.com/u2UZ3GZ.png

• made map boundaries a little clearer
eg: http://i.imgur.com/NqcAT7e.png the fence here now stretches to the wall

• fixed some walls that could be stood on that you weren’t supposed to be able to
http://i.imgur.com/ddAl6Ef.png
http://i.imgur.com/UT3JyEP.png
http://i.imgur.com/nmCZ2pi.jpg

• fixed some lame sniper spots
http://i.imgur.com/ziKIAo4.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/eSzhbVc.png
http://i.imgur.com/FNuPUgt.png

• removed the invisible wall above this, allowing soldiers to jump over it or camp up on it (you can splash the wall next to it to hit people hiding there in a position where they can’t hit you) – if people deem this bad after testing then the wall will most likely be extended above instead as having an invisible wall there is crappy

• made this window solid to allow people to jump into left house. It’s a tricky-ish jump but every class (heavy with gru and soldier with rocketjumps) can get in there now

• hp and ammo added here
http://i.imgur.com/g5p6wDl.jpg

DOWNLOAD: http://forums.tf2maps.net/downloads.php?do=file&id=5439

Quoted from foxy_dave

No idea if this has been brought up and feel free to shoot me down, but my only complaint about new-barnblitz is that on last, there is only one viable engie spot now (bottom spawn, right side as your going towards fourth point).

There used to be a mix of people building there or on top, but with the limited metal now on top is not viable (plus you stand no chance of rebuilding if you’re up there and stuff goes down).

From the few games I’ve played, old-top-spawn is rarely used now – the defensive team has no need to hold there, and the offensive team very rarely get there and then can be relatively easily flanked from under + stairs.

Seems like a waste.

the spot up there is still itself good I think

the problem with that area (when the top spawn was up there anyway) was that it was possibly too easy to setup there, and too easy to be immobile as engy (lol) and not get punished for it

I still personally like the spot as it is because it’s still one of the best spots, and I can just build on the floor and take the risk of running up there and pulling my sentry up there using rescue ranger

a lot of engies are identifying this as a problem however, I’m hoping people can adapt and it’s not just me thinking this is a non-issue when it is – but I’ll keep an eye on it as will the map maker himself I’m sure