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Quoted from ThePledge

Good job on creating another map Arnold, I definetly like the way where it is going. Just a couple of things that I noticed when my team participated in the cup this evening:

– As scout, I notice that wherever I walk, I always seem to have a wall in my back. This makes me very vulnerable to pretty much everyone that is not a scout or medic. Now of course, I could be playing scout the wrong way at this map, but it’s just something I noticed while playing it :)

– The middle point seems to clustered when you walk into it. Demoman spam and any spam in general seems to do a lot of damage and that takes out the effect that teampushes have. Also, considering the fact that capping the point is a very very small area, I’d put some extra thought into maybe making it a bit wider.

– The area from cp2 to cp1 (and the other way around) seems to have too many ways. It would probably feel normal after some time, so I’ll comment on it later, but right now I feel that maybe one or two ways could be removed.

If I think of anything else, I’ll definetly post it here. I love Gullywash myself, and I believe this map has the right stuff to become a very good map. Just needs some tweaking imo :D

– Pledge

thanks for the critique pledge I won’t make mid any wider though because the map is already pushing the scale on size.

As far as scout goes, the fact that there’s a wall on your back most of the time is only fair because you have a lot of room to run around in anyway.

I will do something about some of the sniper sightlines but i don’t think i will actually make the map any smaller. I will also make last a bit easier to push by making the left side open to attackers trough crouch jumping. (i still want that route to be more beneficial to the defenders so they have a way to push out too)

Also void, could you explain the bug on mid a little bit clearer? I don’t think i understand completely.

And thanks to all the teams for playing the map i’ve watched quite a few of your matches.

I can provide screenshots tomorrow if needed, but there are bugs where you get stuck in the ground from the sniper position on middle point; if you somewhat drop down off the train track you’re as good as stuck.

Last point is insanely hard to push, I don’t know why, the demoman can sit with stickies on the main door, soldiers spamming the left and a pyro/heavy just destroy the right (from defensive point of view)

The drop down hole seems unique but useless.

We played the map once, and from my POV the map looked really nice but didn’t catch my favour for a competitive map, whether we were doing it wrong i’m unsure, it just seemed like one of those really boring maps like a stalemate freight.

Never the less, I think with some changes to last point and fix of the bugs it will turn out to be a decent map.

PS: I may be biased, it just wasn’t my cup of tea :(

Edit: Would like to add, second point is really nice as it is a great change from other maps, it doesn’t have low ceilings and it was really refreshing. Your capture point structures are nice and adds a number of different situations.

interesting map wouldn’t mind seeing it make the map pool but you got some bugs to get rid of. Like near the sniper bridge there’s a hole you can get stuck in haha.

good tournament :).

#1: The mid battles:

We were up against potentially a div4 team (we are d6). Now from scout point of view, if the demo stickies our side of point, we’re fucked because the area under the mid point has only one way which will be secured too and there is no way for scouts to push forward due to constant spam of stickies and area control. Soldiers / Demo can still jump but its not the same for medic / scout. My proposal would be to make a pathway for scouts (consider granary mid crates) and medic to follow to avoid heavy spam and to make the mid battles more interesting. Also two openings for the area below the point.

#2 Defending second point:

There are JUST too many ways to get raped from and there cannot be enough eyes everywhere. The far right area (the sniper area) is very hard to moderate if you’re holding the point from far right. Also, I think just like gravelpit, the roof should be jump-able. Everyone can use it effectively to take cover and still defend the point. The area between the main door for mid -> 2nd should be closer to the point to easily spam it since sniper can be VERY dangerous due to the distance.

#3: Last is just beautiful! :P

More cups when new versions of this map is released will be appreciated. This map has potential to be in the map pool.

Thanks for the feedback, i’ll take everything in consideration although i just want to say something about the scale.

Honestly it isn’t that big, i don’t want to scale it down because i just can’t, it would break every cp. It’s also a hassle but that’s no the main reason, i’ve scaled it down quite a bit from the first alpha.

I think the main reason some people complain about size is:
not using the fastest route possible (there is a difference, you can get to 2nd cp faster using the right route, to mid faster using the middle route.
Lack of detail
And some sniper sightline issues.

Mainly worked on the sniper sightlines as you can see (4th image), and trying to detail it so it’s less of a maze.

http://imgur.com/dNbAq.jpg
http://imgur.com/JX6mx.jpg
http://imgur.com/WzB22.jpg
http://imgur.com/SRXya.jpg

Nothing wrong with the lighting, thats how most maps looks. But it can use some extra details and decals.

There’s no HDR guys, and besides i want to keep it clean anyway. just look at how little detail badlands lobby has.

And as Racio said, i’m focusing on gameplay first, cosmetics second.

Eventually i will make it look as good as possible without dropping performance but i honestly don’t feel like i’m there yet.