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Quoted from Defur

I think turbine is a good map, especially for the lower division teams in the sense that they get to learn/practice how to gradually take over parts of the map, and how to flank and push at the right times more throughly ( a.k.a turtlemap ) – also train teams in patience – which seems to be a problem for alot of teams/players ( them fraggers ).

And basicly cant win on the map if you dont play smart, thinking one step ahead.
Once you’ve mastered turbine with a team you can basicly transfer that knowledge into other maps, unlike badlands were it seems like its been made to be playable for people that are blindfolded. So there are actual reasons to have turbine stay imo, not just *we have to have a ctf map and we cant take 2fort so..*.

Yes, the map promotes smart and patient play. But that doesn’t weigh up the fact that even close games on turbine are boring. Maps like gorge, gravelpit, freight and well also encourages smart and patient play but they doesn’t make you want to kill yourself even if the game is close.

Quoted from phy-

Remove turbine, gorge

Add follower, yukon, etc..

I like Gorge, though I can see why people dislike it (attacking last is a chore). But Yukon can get fucked up the arse. Middle is too open, to/at/from second are too enclosed and last is too open.

I would prefer to try out koth (perhaps as another 1-day cup?), and could we retry badwater?

I like fixed maps so far. One of the best things about it is, that you can practice the new maps in the week before they need to be played and it isn’t that hard to find an opponent then.
Previously it was really hard to find teams which were willing to play Turbine or Gravelpit (and so on) against you as long as you were the only team playing that map in a week… next week another team had the same problem …

One thing already mentioned on VanillaTF2 is that there are some standard maps like Granary, Badlands and Freight which are already played long times ago and are pretty accepted by the community. So why not taking these maps and placing them twice in next seasons mappool and other maps like Gorge which are quite new only once a season.

Well I don’t like Gorge… but ye… it’s always a subjective opinion. You can’t make a decission which is fine for everyone. By playing this maps only once, the teams can make a decission which of the maps they want to train harder and which they left behind… Cause getting ace on 12 maps is really hard especially for new teams. But this would be a issue for every team.

So if you have fixed maps, you should always be able to find an opponent in the maps week and still can be tactical about which maps to train harder and which to be left behind. Just like in past where you chose your maps due to your opponent.

Replace fastlanle with prolane Only ran through it once and can already see how much easier its gunna be to push last and how much harder its gunna be to camp points.

All is fine except gorge, get rid of it.

Quoted from GeneSIS^

remove well and turbine

and gorge.

I really like the new system, but not the choosen maps.
we had enough time to practice and that was good, but the maps were bad, well and gorge sucked the most, but hopefully we get Fastlane/Prolane back again….it’s way better than gorge.

From a low skilled clan perspective, i find it harder to arrange friendlies and mixes as a result of the new maps. I find clans at a Div6 level want to only play maps they know and love. Ask them to play Yukon or Gullywash and they’ll just leave the server and go off to find another mix.

I do like the set maps, but i also loved the research that came with map picks because I would always try to find what map a team was good at, and try to not pick that, giving us the best chance of victory. I feel it also encouraged others to check out other clans and somewhat helped community building… only my view though.

If you were to use map picks again, my idea for this would be to say have a list of 9 maps, and you can only pick each one once (assuming you keep 10 clans per div). This way it uses the idea of set maps and map pick, because you have to play all maps at least once, though if your very very very unlucky, you get to play 1 map every week :D

Maybe could also have something similar to a wildcard, but involving maps, where say you have your set map list like this season, but a team could play a mapwildcard and replace any 1 map with a map of their choice from a set list, and only do it once a season. Every clan usually has at least 1 map they utterly despise, and so this system would make them enjoy the season more, because they can get rid of said map.