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maybe its just me, but I find it easier as scout and especially sniper to kill TDH soldiers now, for sniper is obviously really, you scope-fire-unscope and provided you’re at a reasonable distance you can just sidestep and avoid all damage, as scout if the TDH soldier misses the first rocket he’s screwed, provided he isn’t buffed ofc – even better against the banner soldier, just keep a dodgeable distance, let him waste a few rockets then go at him

Sniper are annoying to hit because of his thin posture. Especially at long range. Disagree on the scout part. You proved it yourself in a pug, you absolutely got destroyed by me as solly (same for jones). You even went soldier after you kept getting dicked :D. And now you can go “omg just a pug, my team was shit” but surely that wouldn’t have stopped you from killing me or my medic? Our medic didn’t even die for the entire duration of the pug (I ended with 15+ frags and 3 deaths myself). Surely with the inability of the tdh to hit scouts you would have destroyed him or me (You as a div1 supah skilled player vs a div3 shitter soldier)? And to be honest, I thought we were going to get rolled when I saw the teams.

Here we go with a koeitje special. Thinly veiled bragging under the guise of discussion points.

If you didn’t use forums, i’d view you as a valuable asset to tf2.

Here we go with a koeitje special. Thinly veiled bragging under the guise of discussion points.

If you didn’t use forums, i’d view you as a valuable asset to tf2.

Well, lets be honest. Fragga comes in here going “omg ez mode as sc00t vs tdh”, and I respond to him with my experiences of playing against scouts with the tdh (even with him playing scout). It would make sense that he would be able to easily kill a div3 solly or his medic with his skill/gamesense/aim? Would it not? I would like to test the weapon against scouts like zerox and predz to see how it fares. At the moment I don’t think it’s any worse than the normal rocket launcher. I haven’t noticed a decrease in my efficiency against scouts. But that’s probably because I suck at this game.

@ wpminnows: was 6-1 or 5-0 in no time :/.

We have finally arrived, off topic! Yay!

How is it offtopic when we are talking about scouts/snipers vs the tdh.

dh is so weak vs scouts that if you made it take 2 shots instead of 1 to kill a non-overhealed scout then the weapon would be useless

also, here is how the banner charges: http://commforums.com/unlock-details-t2768.html?t=2768

IT WAS ANOTHER LIFE

Remove the mini-crits from the direct hit and then allow it. The direct hit is more situational than the original rocket launcher. If a soldier or two choose to use the direct hit then they are choosing to be more situational. In a spamfight the original rocket launcher is much better but in other situations the direct hit is better. The weapon trades the original’s versatility for more situational power. The soldier has always been a class that has been useful in any situation but not as useful as other classes, this brings some new life to the class.

From a theoretical standpoint, if anything the TDH is less situational than the original RL, that is, assuming that the TDH user has an incredibly accurate aim.

For example, when using the old RL at anything further than the end of close range, the opportunity to hit a high damage shot is much more dependent on prediction and thus the movement of the opponent. Using TDH, there are many more situations where it is almost or completely impossible for the opponent to dodge the rocket, assuming you aim with perfect accuracy.

Of course in practice it doesn’t work out like this because we as players and humans are incapable of these levels of consistency and execution without using an aimbot. It pans down to a practically even level of versatility between original RL and TDH if you ask me, which is a great thing.

tl:dr version: Versatility of TDH is more about execution than it is about situation and for the original RL the opposite is true.

One comment I completely disagree with is “The soldier has always been a class that has been useful in any situation”. Soldiers were absolutely diabolical at fighting up-hill from lower positions than opponents before TDH was introduced. Demo’s thrive at fighting from these kinds of positions (e.g. stickies/pipes from bottom of badlands spire onto it) and scouts can also be far more successful from lower positions because of their speed and complete reliance on hitscan weapons.

The equalizer is a straight buff to the soldier class. I can understand this being banned but I don’t think we should get too fussed over it. I would be quite sad to see this banned because soldiers have always been very reliant on a medic. This allows them to survive better without a medic.

I completely agree with this.

The gunboats are hardly anything to worry about. Most soldiers will not give up their shotgun for them. I recon they should be able to be earned through the rocket jump achievement. That way if demomen were given them aswell, they could be earned by their sticky jump achievement. Even as they are, they should not be banned.

Earning through RJ achievement is a good idea imo (or basically any other way to earn them instead of random luck). I disagree with the suggestion of giving them to the demo (why would anyone even use them anyway at the sacrafice of a sticky or pipe launcher???).

For the moment the gunboots seem quite buggy. I reckon Valve as usual just overlooked testing them properly and didn’t even notice that they only work for vertical RJ’s and not at steep angles or off walls. If they get updated to work the same way from all angles then there is potential for discussion of them being imbalanced. As it stands I think not.

The buff banner is seriously over powered and I don’t be surprised if it is banned. This is an extremely fun weapon to use in pubs but too powerful in the hands of a decent team. I hope that valve alter its buff to be fun in pubs and not overpowered in competetive play. I like the idea of it increasing the fire rate instead of causing mini-crits. The difference between this and jarate is that someone who has been hit by jarate has a chance to retreat to safety.

Agree. Personally I’d prefer if they buffed reload rate instead of fire rate or movement speed. Anyone who’s played on a Saigns server vs players with premium accounts should understand why increasing fire-rate or movement-rate considerably can be just as bad as crits, and probably more difficult to balance considering the variety of weapons that would be effected (compared to adjusting reload rate).

Someone’s not happy i called him ignorant 10 pages ago! Cynical unpopular truth is my forte. Rumours that/why i hate you have been misrepresentative of the truth sweetheart.

Mine too, only our perceptions of truth are obviously different:D I havn’t taken any idea of what you think of me from rumours, only what you’ve said to me yourself on IRC many months ago.

tf2street is undeniably the most successful example of what banter like this can result in and I always kind of assumed you were part of it, not for any particular reason other than your writing style and propensity to knock people off their high-horses. I’ve pretty much passed my banter/insult phase now, with the exception of insulting people who attack me first and those who are genuinely terrible at playing this game.