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Seems to me like people still don’t trust the AC team 100%.

Why are you discussing the time he gets banned?
He cheated = Ban. permanently
Don’t cheat and you are fine. It’s simple in my eyes.

Don’t you see the problem with this though?

Person A cheats,
Person A gets caught,
Person A gets a permanent ban.
Person A is permanently banned, his reputation tarnished, he has nothing to play for… so why not make a new account and cheat again?
Person A ENTERS THE LEAGUE under different name.
Admin team has to notice him cheating, dedicate time to catching him and all the games he has played in have been voided and unfair on the opposing team.

Person A cheats again,
Person A gets caught again,
Person A gets no extra punishment… it’s the same as what he had.
Person A makes a new account,
Person A cheats.
Person A ENTERS THE LEAGUE.
Admin team has to notice him cheating, dedicate time to catching him and all the games he has played in have been voided and unfair on the opposing team.

Now look at a possible situation with a 1 year ban:

Person A cheats,
Person A gets caught,
Person A gets a 1 year ban
Person A keeps his alias, appologises (or even denies) and plays PCWs for a year,
(Person A is constantly monitored by admins and other players),
Player A no longer cheats
1 year later……
Player A ENTERS THE LEAGUE, the admins know he was an ex cheater so can pay special attention to him, league remains cheat free.

If I was cheating and then banned permanently, i’d probably still want to play TF2. I’d make a new name and probably just fuck around, not play the game seriously anymore. I’d probably continue to hack, if I get caught oh well… $2.50 on a TF2 weekend and i’m back in business. Continue playing unfairly, ruining games for other people… why do I care? I’ve been banned…

Imagine if all the cheaters in the league did that. Our admin team would have their hands full just trying to catch all the returning cheaters, let alone the new ones.

This is also why I think 1 year bans are better than 2. One year is realistic. Some of the cheaters banned a while ago in the big ban fest will be unbanned soon, and that wasn’t exactly that bad. 2 years in gaming is a permanent ban. People rarely play a game for more than about 4 years, and who would want to have to wait 2 years to get back into it. They are much more likely to evade the ban and get a new account.

BACK ON TOPIC:

#1 I agree (with Kodyls suggestion)

Allthough it can cause a problem. What if the result is 2-2 (2 draws). They replay the match and the non cheater team loses both maps. They allready earned those 2 points against that team and shouldn’t lose them with a replay.

While it seems very unfair on the cheating team, I think in this example:

If non-cheating team wins, they get 3 points per map.
If non-cheating team draws, they get 1 point per map.
If non-cheating team loses, they keep their 1 point per map.

This allows them to extend on the points they allready earnt (and keeps the points the cheating team dropped). The cheating team should no way be allowed to improve their season’s record because they had to replay a match because a cheater played for them. They should however have the right to defend all of the current points they have earnt.

#2 I disagree (for vlad’s reasons)

As I support Haunter’s solution, but I just can not see it working. People have a tendency to “CBA” these days.

but atleast teams with sportsmanship can just say: “u deserved the win the cheater didnt make the difference” and score is the same

agreed

My idea actually doesn’t work too well, because it means every match that a team lost against the cheating team WILL be replayed as they have nothing to lose. That could be a complete waste of time.

But I still think the team that used a cheater shouldn’t be able to move up the table (gain points) because of the replayed matched. They should only have a chance to retain their current position in the table.

hmm but if he makes such amazing calles wouldnt he make it quite obvious that he is a cheating cunt?

In your case you say that Team YoYo Tech was knowing that boomeh was a cheater and that they used his advantages for there benefits.

Do you really think that the Members of YoYo have supported a cheater?

Have you ever heard: “to give sb. the benefit of the doubt”?

sigh…

some changes in subject 2

lets forget the ammount of time in the penalty, that would be something to discuss later

(im going to repeat some and add new)

– Admiting to cheat would solve the flame between clan mates and league
– Admiting to cheat would avoid clan mates to humiliate themselves deffending cheater

now:
– Giving the cheat to AC team so they can report it to VAC and update aequitas
– Giving the sources of the cheats
– Reporting other cheaters they know (this doesnt mean a witch hunt, would be private to admins, and they would put the players under observation)

considering this, we would need a way of motivating players to do that

some changes in subject 2

lets forget the ammount of time in the penalty, that would be something to discuss later

(im going to repeat some and add new)

– Admiting to cheat would solve the flame between clan mates and league
– Admiting to cheat would avoid clan mates to humiliate themselves deffending cheater

now:
– Giving the cheat to AC team so they can report it to VAC and update aequitas
– Giving the sources of the cheats
– Reporting other cheaters they know (this doesnt mean a witch hunt, would be private to admins, and they would put the players under observation)

considering this, we would need a way of motivating players to do that

This is a better idea. It still won’t work though, because all you’ve changed is “give the cheats to an admin to prove it.”

I’d download a cheat (and they can be easily found), and give it to the admin, just to get banned for 1 year instead of 2, or whatever the new reward might be.

Whilst this goes SOME WAY to proving a real cheat did actually cheat and getting more information and protecting us from further cheats, it still doesn’t protect the INNOCENTS from being even more harshly punished than real cheats. There is still no incentive for an innocent person to defend themselves. Any kind of reward for giving a cheat to an admin is an incentive for innocent people to pretend to be guilty.

And that’s the flaw with #2.

I’ll be honest with you haunter, i think that as long as we work on THIS CURRENT SYSTEM, different length punishment and rewards can never work. We categorically state that someone IS a cheat, we brand a person as a cheat for good. There is no benefit in claiming your innocense, even if you ARE innocent, because no one will believe you and the league won’t listen.

Now, if we introduce punishment for people who deny it, why would anyone ever deny it? Remember that any reward for people who admit it IS a punishment for people who deny it.

for me they just have to give def-win for every game played by radar-boomeh.

LOL. Can you tell me exactly which games he cheated in and which ones he didn’t? Maybe he didn’t do it all the time etc…? No you cant.

Just hire lawyers.

this is the internets, this is srs bsns.