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Well so far in the U.S scene, none of the top scouts use the FAN since it lacks the killing power.

The only thing the fan lacks is scout vs scout killing power, for gun n run its better than demo jumping onto mid when the whole enemy team is standing on it.

Well you can’t really go on short killing sprees with it, nor can you take on a fully buffed soldier + a medic, which is what I meant about killing power.

No, you just 2 shot the medic. Reload, and start harassing the soldier. Shouldn’t take so long.

Problem is, that a scout with mediocre aim is able to stop people dead in the air or on the ground, as a fricking single shard from this gun makes people useless ;)
Would be nice to see the stopping power from single shards reduced, but this wont happen.

The problem is a scout with mediocre aim can increase his skill considerably by using the fan over the scattergun whilst rendering the enemy soldiers useless in certain areas and most importantly making their rocket jumps (their best asset afterall) work against them.

My only real issue with it is that on badlands a scout is able to get to middle and go shithouse before your scouts will be able to see and call it. Not only does them popping around the side of the train as you walk out onto middle as a demoman make it hard to stay alive but since it’s impossible to call, it’s also impossible to judge what you should be doing. If you spend the time to throw stickies down, and you’ll never really be able to get them in a spot that the scout cant avoid easily, then you’re not even able to pay attention to what the rest of their players like their demoman are doing and you’re unable to block their team in. If you don’t, there’s a chance that the scout has gone shithouse and prepare to get 2 shotted before your medic can even see you.

I must say this whole whining this is so retarded. Basically we have people whining to preserve the status quo. Every change is against this existing state of the game and people just can’t deal with it.
They are too busy playing granary and badlands with their 1000 times tried tactics that even a slight (and I mean slight) change in this will just make them rage. And guess what that is a sad sad thing. So what if the scout with a FaN can get to center faster than the scouts without the FaN. Deal with it. Make your scout have a FaN or block the places where this advantage could be used. This has been around since the weapon came out and only now it’s a problem for you?

Change to FaN wasn’t that big. It now only does what, 8% more damage in optimal conditions than Scatter gun does. Otherwise it’s the same weapon that was there all the time. It was never banned or caused this much whine when it came out. Back then it could 2 shot medics just as easily as it kills them now. Soldiers were if not killed were much so that one or two pistol rounds after FaN killed the soldier.

Now I see some people cry their eyes out how this update has completely made soldiers useless and such. It is not the weapon that is owepowered it is just you that is not coping with the new situation. Work how to overcome the issue and don’t waste your time on crying how you don’t want to do that.

If etf2l decides to ban FaN it is a big big disappointment and a scary way of dealing things in a future.

There is no “workaround” take spire as just one example, you can no longer jump to defend it against even a single scout. The “workaround” doesn’t exist. For demomen who liked to SJ to defend the point, they can always spam stickies from underneath, but a soldier requiring splash damage can do nothing.

Wasn’t too long ago people were “whining” or “crying” about x2 demomen, how many would want to go back to that? Class/Weapon limits need to me made as TF2 is a game designed for public play if we allow every stupid weapon Valve make we wont have a competitive community for very much longer.

It’s not like the baseball bat and ball because anyone can use that to stun people, even if they have no skill at all.

lol? Anyone with half decent aim can use the fan, give it to any scout in div1/2 and they have no problems at all.