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Quoted from NoJu

I don’t quite understand why you should be ALLOWED build uber without soldiers using the BB. If you lose both soldiers, then you don’t get to build uber. It’s a trade off. Why should we remove part of the punishment of losing your sollies?

I made an almost exact copy of this post only a few weeks ago. Then I thought, where in any rule set does it say that sollies have to be the ones that build uber? It’s how the game is played, doesn’t mean it’s a rule. Should we punish those that make the demo use his nades?

Rule 4 ii b) Only soldiers are allowed to hurt themselves to help build uber. Any player found deliberately hurting themselves to aid in an uber build shall be punished with a minor warning. This includes any scout taking fall damage on purpose.

You posted earlier that no minds are being changed, well I’m afraid that I am a living example of one such attitude swing.

Quoted from Monkeh

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I made an almost exact copy of this post only a few weeks ago. Then I thought, where in any rule set does it say that sollies have to be the ones that build uber? It’s how the game is played, doesn’t mean it’s a rule. Should we punish those that make the demo use his nades?

Rule 4 ii b) Only soldiers are allowed to hurt themselves to help build uber. Any player found deliberately hurting themselves to aid in an uber build shall be punished with a minor warning. This includes any scout taking fall damage on purpose.

You posted earlier that no minds are being changed, well I’m afraid that I am a living example of one such attitude swing.

If you take that approach to all unlocks then there is no point against any of them. Because why shouldn’t a heavy be able to run to mid at medic speed and arrive with 450 hp? It doesn’t say anywhere in the rules that he shouldn’t be able to so why not?

Yeah what Mercy said really. The heavy IS designed to be fat and slow. That’s on purpose.

Quoted from rytis

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but the scout isnt designed to damage himself

No, the idea behind scout’s design is that he’s a glass jet cannon. Nobody says he cannot fly into walls, guns blazing.

Honestly the so overused “original design” argument really lacks any substancial power…

Ok, we get it, things have a original design, that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t adapt or change to the circumstances it goes through. Nothing in this life is stationary and if you think a competitive game of this nature with usually such a short lifespan is going to be so, then you are extremely wrong and I am sorry that you think that way.

And about the heavy GRU, won’t this debuff make it extremely less viable and thus a bit more balanced and able to be used in 6v6? Haven’t played much with it either as heavy is my least played class.

Quoted from Monkeh

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I made an almost exact copy of this post only a few weeks ago. Then I thought, where in any rule set does it say that sollies have to be the ones that build uber?

You posted earlier that no minds are being changed, well I’m afraid that I am a living example of one such attitude swing.

Exactly, Monkeh, you are proof that these threads really do something and can serve a purpose, I remember discussing with you not even 2 weeks ago about unlocks from different sides of the “barricade”, you were extremely skeptic about unlocks, and after some posts back and forth and the decreasing numbers on the league were disclosed you opened up to another perspective and thinking differently. That’s why I think this can be an healthy discussion and really work towards the better of our scene, at least if all the trolls and elitist kind of posts are ignored or removed.

Quoted from AnimaL

go play with ur unlocks in ur own league, stop arguing with ppl who know better

I shall play TF2 in whichever league I like. I shall also play TF2 with or without unlocks.

I would also like to point out that your attitude is laughable. I’ve had conversations with people who have played at the highest level all over the world, via email, steam and forum posts.

A lot of the views, opinions and points of view I’m presenting in this thread are either directly stolen from, or influenced by those, ‘ppl who know better’.

Your level of arrogance is seriously impressive.

Quoted from AnimaL

Your “idea” that unlocks will help TF2 is laughable, so is this whole topic

I have come across people in the LoL community with more common sense and education than you, and that’s saying a lot.

And your notion that a community doesn’t function a whole but instead relies on a bunch players like yourself is what is really laughable and somewhat very sad.

Quoted from Kaneco

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I have come across people in the LoL community with more common sense and education than you, and that’s saying a lot.

And your notion that a community doesn’t function a whole but instead relies on a bunch players like yourself is what is really laughable and somewhat very sad.

allow unlocks and you’ll see this game die before the season which allowed unlocks ends :]