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Vanilla + medlocks + equalizer should be the new standard thing.

But i can live with vanilla + medlocks.

I personally think that part of the problem is the ‘jumping solly meta game’ that most mid points descend into because of the equalizer.

It was interesting to note that at i42 (which was also my first game in ages played vanilla + medlocks) the dynamic of the matches changed massively because of the lack of the equalizer. Most mids- particularly badlands- became less about balls-out-jumping-solly aggression.

But whether that is a good or a bad thing I don’t know.

just load vanilla cfg on pcw and say that their load out is not working

Quoted from Tapley ❤

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I myself think that the soldier is the shittest class to play without the equalizer but we decided to ban this also, only because if you say vanilla + medlocks + Equalizer, someone will say WHY NOT ME USE BONK? I HATE GRAVELSPITS NOAW.

ideally if you want to stop the argument you want vanilla. end of
+ medlocks gives you the wriggle room for + equaliser and then on and on. i know + medlocks is a standard now, but to remove that aspect of “but i want this unlock, he’s got more than me mummy waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah” its really the only way to stop the argument without some heavy forum moderation.

I think what people want more than anything is a way to stop the debate lol

and as for prem having different rules to everyone else… well i must say i don’t agree. takes a chunk out of the seriousness, if you want to take it seriously.

I often speak with my brother about TF2. Apart from playing with our team at i33 and playing in the final on stage, he has no competitive tf2 experience himself. Just just occasionally watches a game, and plays a whole lot of public tf2.

His words are simply along the lines of:

“People are dumb for wanting the unlocks banned. I love using all of the weapons, and it doesn’t bother me when other people use them against me… What harm do they honestly do?”.

Obviously then, with myself being the argumentative type, I go on to explain how some weapons aren’t suited for 6v6 game play, and others change the metagame of competitive tf2, and he simply replies with something on the lines of:

“So what? You play the game to complete an objective better than your opponents do… why does there need to be a set ‘standard’… a standard should come into play from being the best all-round possible combination of classes and weapons. If the game changes, you can/should expect the standards to change with it.

To be honest, he has a point, and I feel a lot of the ‘less serious’ players might agree with it. Starcraft’s standards are evolving all the time, yet the game keeps getting better and better. A single patch can completely change the way a matchup is played. There’s always people who are going to be unhappy with the changes, because they might have been the best prior to the changes. E.g. PvZ has totally changed just from knocking a few seconds off the phoenix build time.

Getting creative in starcraft is what many people consider masterful play. The creative players are often rewarded, coming up with unique, single time use strategies, sometimes specifically built just to defeat a particular opponent. A lot of these pro vanilla boys want TF2’s strategies to evolve around, where you jump to, or which door you walk in. I personally would want to see some awesome creativity with sets of unlocks, ready to counter your opponents. If you find you have the wrong weapon sets out to counter your opponent, you can change on respawn. Yes, it takes time, but the same as Starcraft 2, you can’t suddenly change your unit composition… it often takes time to switch tech.

But meh, whatever, just losing so much potential!

Quoted from Spike Himself

In a perhaps more interesting light; Would you refuse to sign up for an etf2l season if it’d be run around a vanilla+medlocks ruleset, or do you know anyone that would?

Well. You have the figures on how many prem teams sign up with cinnamon.
try vanilla + med or maybe just pure vanilla nect season.

See what happens! At worst you might get 1 team from prem drop, oh well. better than all of them. If you lose a few low div teams, then there will always be more low div teams to replace them i mean the pub scene is still pretty huge and there will always be new teams created.

Acidrenix……. I am a converted man

Just do both, have an option to play vanilla+medlocks… If people are so desperate to play with these rules let them have the choice, I admit im not fond of the current system, Yet i dont have major problems with it.

If ETF2L could have a formal option for unlocks/vanilla+medlocks then i dont really see how people could compain.

If teams disagreed on what they want, say team 1 wants unlocks,and team 2 wants vanilla+medlocks, How could we decide? I cant think of anything atm but im pretty sure it could work. The more freedom people have the more they find the games intersting. And as Vuze have said (we’ve played them recently) and i dont think most teams will have such a problem playing vanilla+medlocks