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Quoted from vlad_drac

I don’t know where people got the impression that a forum was not a place for discussion.

+1, if you don’t want to read threads where people talk about things… Don’t read them, and especially do not post in them! It’s the meta-talk and derailing that makes the threads less readable, not the thread creator or the people who contribute in them with valuable posts.

Now excuse me for the meta-talk myself, but I’m also interested in hearing a public statement from the AC team about this exact thing. As far as I’ve understood, the AC team is at least going to set the goal to exactly what vlad_drac was describing: all must explicitly vote an unanimous “yes” so that a player can be banned, and I’ve expressed my opinion that votes should be based on the perception of the voter whether there is enough evidence to do a ban, rather than whether the voter thinks the player cheats.

The difference is subtle, but crucial. I might think that some idiot I don’t like also cheats. However, if I think there is not enough evidence or that it’s not substantial enough, I would vote “no” even if I think the player is cheating. This should be how everyone in a jury (AC team) makes their vote. It should NOT be based on gut feel, which is probably the basis for previous bans.

I’m actually going to cry with e-rage.

Thanks compton, i’m sure if the decent thinking tf2 community can selectively blank out the usual trolls, we might have a decent thread on our hands for a change.

Edit:
Oh look, 3 of them posted in the time it took me to reply to you :)

Just because I happen to think this is an outdated and pointless topic does not make me a troll and as far as “just ignore the threads then” goes I really can’t, your blocking up my forum activity feeds and the sheer irgnorance in these threads cannot be just left to continue. They create a terrible image for the community and cause flame wars that don’t need to happen. The first thread about AC I was totally cool with until it ran dry and got locked, then someone else thought hmmm I’ll have a go – some more points were made D2M spoke his bit then it ran dry, cool. Then someone else goes oooh ooh my turn now. No progress made just crap and now again – although I agree with your initial post I disagree with you posting it, we just need to leave it now. drop it.

Quoted from Swarlz

Just because I happen to think this is an outdated and pointless topic does not make me a troll and as far as “just ignore the threads then” goes I really can’t, your blocking up my forum activity feeds and the sheer irgnorance in these threads cannot be just left to continue. They create a terrible image for the community and cause flame wars that don’t need to happen. The first thread about AC I was totally cool with until it ran dry and got locked, then someone else thought hmmm I’ll have a go – some more points were made D2M spoke his bit then it ran dry, cool. Then someone else goes oooh ooh my turn now. No progress made just crap and now again – although I agree with your initial post I disagree with you posting it, we just need to leave it now. drop it.

As the above poster said, you really can’t whine about these topics creating flamewars when the only people who has gone offtopic so far are the ones saying just that – the thread will go offtopic and turn into flaming.

I also like the part where you say “no progress made”. How on earth is that reason enough to drop the subject? This is an important issue that needs to be answered in a way that makes the community comfortable. If no progress is made, then that’s just the biggest reason to create a new thread. We need progress. Now if you stop calling flame on everything and instead leave the posting to people who have enough backbone to create an opinion, we might just get some of that progress.

If your going to disect my posts like that there is really no point tbh. Enjoy.