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But what if the team allready had the knowledge. Maybe, being mentored? Spectating games. Knowledge and understanding of the game can only take you so far, after that you need to have good execution. That is something that is very difficult to change.

Quoted from Ched

Last thing I want to see is teams winning their divisions because they were able to defualt win their way to victory because of other team accidently using banned unlocks.

Just ban them all already, honestly.

ETF2L has as many or probably even less unlock rulebreaks than ESl / wireplay (hi fragclips with banned weapons) while having a metagame that is nearly the same.

Why argue so much about an administrative issue while you already have nearly the gameplay you want?

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Quoted from RaCio

[…]ETF2L has as many or probably even less unlock rulebreaks than ESl / wireplay (hi fragclips with banned weapons) while having a metagame that is nearly the same.

Why argue so much about an administrative issue while you already have nearly the gameplay you want?

I’d agree out of all the leagues, ETF2L has by far done the best job. However I believe it’d be good for the community to make a decision or at least a general consensus before even more unlocks are added. Even as someone who has been fortunate enough to play in Div 3, I still stick to the same old loadout out of fear that I might accidently use a banned weapon. What’s the point in allowing unlocks if people like me resort to intentionally sticking to one loadout?

I would personally prefered if Valve decided instead of adding new unlocks that are blatent upgrades to the originals, (see ubersaw) they could have just as easily just added the new mechanics to the already existing weapons. They more or less did this when they added the airblast to the pyro. They could have introduced a new unlock that could airblast but instead had a drawback but instead they just added the new mechanic to the original flamethrower.

I think most people who are fighting for some constrained use of unlocks in this game, don’t want to see an ‘allow all’ option. I think most people agree it might be too much. Not everyone, the people who want every single unlock are allowed their opinion. I personally would still play the game if every unlock was allowed, though I would prefer it if they weren’t ‘all’ allowed.

But as someone said, over in ESEA, we see some creative use of TDH, Targe, FaN as examples. The USA soldiers don’t really complain about TDH, not that i’ve seen anyway. They realise there is a very large trade off in your damage output on a group of enemies. They just get on with it, realise it does actually add something to the game. At the same time a lot of teams just use vanilla unlocks. They aren’t using it out of principle… they just use it because they see it as the best combination for their team.

People argue about the unlocks over here, but it’s unlocks they simply do not want to use. They don’t want others to use them because they have no interest in using them for themselves. It’s not about balance of the game, or too much change. It’s simply people wanting them banned out of spite. No significant unlock (except maybe the equaliser) that has been suggested in this thread or any other is considered an ‘essential’ unlock. As in… teams HAVE to run that class combined with the unlock too, or they have a much stronger chance of losing.

GRU is a straight up buff to the heavy. There is no real downside, or should I say, the downside is very insignificant. But people seem to think that having the GRU makes the heavy essential on mid fights. I do not think that’s the case. I think it makes it more viable to run heavy, as he will actually be part of the fight, but I don’t you NEED a heavy just to even compete the middle… Two soldiers can be the most effective combination of damage output in the game, short of maybe, a demoman and a soldier.

^ This game isn’t evolved around a middle fucking point either, pushing with a heavy at any point is difficult, it would only add impact to middle, and most likely have a much less than significant effect elsewhere, of course, unless you are defending.

Edit: This was to add to Arx post regarding the GRU issue and its upgrade.

Heavy is a retard class anyway