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Quoted from Ze Man

if there weren’t any 5cp maps this season i’d be fine with the ban since running the invis is tf2 easymode. 5cp maps have little to no ammo pickups and alot of shutter doors making your decloacks and positioning easier to predict.

Have you accepted the Cloak and Dagger as your own personal savior?

Quoted from Ze Man

[…]ewww, too boring to play with :P

That’s the DR.

Quoted from scrambled

I love how extrasolar posted a very good argument against toast and no one has been able to respond to it, so they have resorted to either ad hominem or complaining about there being too many words xD

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If you’re referring to the post I called “word salad”, that wasn’t a very good argument. It was barely an argument:

And now you’re attempting to deny democracy on the grounds of falsified accusations heavily influenced by your own anecdotal arguments

This literally means nothing. It’s nonsense. It reads like he swallowed a thesaurus and somehow shat it back out on the forum.

If we’re going to be charitable and assume there’s any kind of coherent thought expressed anywhere throughout that linguistic abortion, it’s that Steve shouldn’t have been rude to people who wanted the DR banned.

Ok. Steve shouldn’t have been rude to people who wanted the DR banned.

Now, how does this make the DR overpowered?

In response to people talking about voting for advantages and things. The Bureau wanted to ban the razorback in the same vote, and I think we play around our sniper more than any other teams.

Quoted from scrambled

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In simple talk: There was a fair vote. Toast is denying that vote by calling people names, and its also obvious that Toast will be biased towards having the dead ringer unbanned. I think its quite obvious tbh.

If you’re going to open a thread called “Dead Ringer Ban Discussion”, you’d better have a better argument than “we voted to ban it lol”. We know you voted to ban it. That’s why we’re having this discussion.

The stupid thing is, for all the bitching about ad hominem in this thread, most of the examples people are complaining about are actually just straight up insults. The purest example of ad hominem so far is this:

its also obvious that Toast will be biased towards having the dead ringer unbanned.

You’re dismissing Toast’s arguments because of who’s making them. That’s literally the definition of ad hominem.

Quoted from scrambled

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In simple talk: There was a fair vote. Toast is denying that vote by calling people names, and its also obvious that Toast will be biased towards having the dead ringer unbanned. I think its quite obvious tbh.

Everyone voting against the DR are equally biased because they think it’s annoying and it in some way disrupts their playstyles in a similar way it disrupts spies’ playstyle by removing it, though much much less.

How was this a “fair” vote? The majority who got to vote were high players. Where are the mid players and the open players? And how does it make sense to make people vote on stuff they don’t much about? Im not eligble to vote for 6s cause i dont understand 6s, and neither am I in HL. It just becomes random depending on what players like and don’t like to play against. There wasn’t anything brought up for the ban. If something is to be banned on the whitelist, then a proper argument for that has to be shown, theres no need to defend it when it has been in the game for more than a year. If it was so overpowered as people come to say it would obviously have been banned in season 9.

You are saying you wouldn’t care who said what, yet you are using me being biased as an argument. Almost everything that has been argued for the ban has been shown to not hold up. Your Badwater example as an example. A lot more of this is in the official thread which could be looked into if it wasn’t deleted lol.

TBH we only make these kind of decisions to re-vitalize our forums.
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In all seriousness, I am enjoying this discussion. Keep going!

bureau doesnt play around their sniper lol also dr ban is silly lol