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“if you cant counter it, ban it” – the way to success.

I do not think that playing with 2 demomen has been tested enough to put the limit to 1. Having the ml1 is understandable, but if we’re going to add more and more limits, we might as well use cl1.

Not many clans use 2 demomen atm correct..

But you can be sure that if the class limit isn’t changed now that most clans will try it.. so maybe u’ve just shot ursefls in the feet?

P.S. who cares.. why limit tactics in 1 of the best tactical games in years :<

We usually play with 2 demos and when facing 2 really good scouts it can be really hard. Cant we set sl1? Also Hw/med is is really hard to kill can we ban hw/med combo?

I think we should decide an etf2l-lineup, 2xscouts 1xhw 1xmedic 1xsoldier. After all the only way to see which the better team is, is to make sure everyone uses the same tactic:P

Currently its 2 demomen. After that it will be something else. This is a never ending circle, there is always something, this is just the hot topic atm.

TBH if we keep restricting the game Im just going to quit. And if it becomes Div1 only then I certainly dont want to run a team that plays in Div1, because I cant be doing with having to play with teams that cant handle variation and just want everyone to play the same way. This limiting is just plain retarded. All it does is limits tactics to make EVERYBODY play the same way. If you cant see that its limited enough already then your obviously blind.

And I know he meant Div1 only. But again, thats just the ego of Div1 clans putting themselves on a pedastool above everyone else. It shouldnt be different between leagues, we should have a set standard throughout the community.

Again. Higher ranked clans should start seeing past their own noses and think about all of the teams lower down. Just because some players in what, 10 euro clans out of ~130 are against 2 demomen does NOT mean we should restrict this.

Yes limit to 1 demoman, so you’re only competition from games that stops you steamrolling teams is gone, if you’re not destroying the competition by taking their players, you’re trying to do it by stopping the only playstyle that affects you, how awesome!

Disclaimer: Yea i may be from some “lesser” “unknown” clan, but fuck it, my opinion matters as much in this matter to you, as your view on whats fair and what isn’t fair between Div1 clans.

Some people appear to not know why there are class limits in the first place.

Think about it, with some of your arguments.. why even bother limiting to 2 classes?

What’s so bad about a 5 demomen and 1 medic tactic? The whole reason is diversity and a gameplay improvement.

but then, you could argue, isn’t a 6 man scout rush diversity? a team of 5 soldiers and a medic…

The point is, class limit 2 improves gameplay, it means that players have to think of tactics (which was someone’s arguments) which involve several different classes.

2 demomen allow for multiple points to be blocked off. It also means much more spam. If your argument is tactics, then you’re killing them. If you are running 2 demomen, chances are it’s because you’re too lame to think of a strategy to stop an opponent from getting in your base, without having to block off every single choke point. If you can pipe the left door, and the right door at the same time (2 demo’s) then the enemy will have to uber in, in order to get onto the point (or sacrifice a player, and even then, stickies can be repositioned).

A smart organised team would (be able to) use a single demoman to force the enemy into taking a certain route into their base, and then have a strategy to deal with them, once they are in.

I don’t really care if there is demolimit 1 or demolimit 2, but I can only see benefits to the gameplay by limiting it to 1. Even if it stays as 2, I will still be playing the game and still working out counter strategies for it.

And some people need to think. Imagine TF2 without class limits? Who do you think thought about using class limits? It’s the guys who are still thinking of how to make the game more enjoyable and competitive for you guys.

Sure 6 engineers can be fun to play, 3 medics and 3 soldiers can be a great fight… sure lets get 1 ubered pyro with 5 medics following…. YES, that stuff is fun, but how long before you get totally bored with playing ‘yet another lame lockdown match’. The class limits convert this game, from being just a computer game you play with your mates, to more of a sport… There are set rules.. You don’t see a game of football with 2 or 3 goalkeepers.

To be hounest, this is more of a community thing than an ‘elitest’ thing. You guys should post your view (DL 1 or DL 2) and then justify exactly why you choose that. After that, leave it, don’t bitch about the discussion.