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OH SNAP CALM DOWN ABOMB

Ye I haven’t found the randomness that big a deal, probably because I don’t cut myself everytime I miss an airshot (that’s a lot of cuts :o).

Whilst I can see the views regarding game balance and the the idea that RNGs can make you suicidal, I think anything that splits the playerbase is bad.

Why not use the power of the competitve community to get Valve’s attention. Apparently there is a bit of resentment to the lack of support from Valve thus far, but e-mailing Robin Walker saying “ZOMG!!1 I died to wan stickeh!11” isn’t going to get results. While I understand Anakin and others have contacted Valve I think we could do much better.

We need a well structured arguement outlining why some of the balancing features implemented in TF2 such as random damage are less applicable in the 6v6 competitive scene, and that we would like a few more cvars and options. Then we could petition Valve with the support of league admins and players, and it becomes a lot harder for them to dismiss or overlook us. Together we stand, divided we fall!

P.S. I can’t be arsed to actually do any of this stuff :D

I’m a demoman.

Nades=100 (even 110 would be ok)

Stickies- 50-110. They should be good as trap. Its skilless weapon so it should suck. Demolimit 2 sounds nice.

cruise control for cool

I see people quoting random numbers (no pun intended) when suggesting what the current damage rate for weapons are. Im not sure whether thats because this link im about to post is outdated or because no one else but myself knows of it :/ ive always found the numbers to be accurate, however

http://tf2wiki.net/wiki/Demoman#Weapons

—this info is before the demonerf/buff/damage bug—

shows you the damage variables of demomen weapons, the rest of the characters are on their also.

The reduction on randomness effects things both ways, for instance now i know that my ubersaw will be dealing 65 damage per swing as opposed to 43-87 damage. now instead of having the -possibility- of killing a 100% scout in 2 hits its now a GUARENTEE to kill him with 2 hits. if i see a scout coming at me without having funky heal signs floating off of him i know i can take the chance.

Using this plugin we can do some number crunching and start measuring our possibilities for kills much more accuratly. without the plugin, a soldier at mid range will need at LEAST 5 shotgun hits on a scout to kill him, note that this wouldnt require him to reload. HOWEVER there is a good chance that it could take as many as 13 shotgun hits at mid range to kill a scout. Using the plugin we are guarenteed it will take 7 shots. Note that this would require the soldier to reload a shot

Theres some stats maths to be had in this stuff, of course. as your more liekly to hit a quartile than the absolute low or high, it means that there is a much higher chance of a kill requiring one less/more shot due to the amount of ‘overkill’ a shot might deliver

@Akill : I was taking the damage values from here at first, and did some testing, and found that most of the values here are not correct. It seems that they didn’t know that the distance from the enemy affects the weapon damage.

@Mole : Setting it to 0 will make the plugin not do anything.

if I believed in god’s existence I’d say thank u god for this masterpiece of work.
It brings most of the old gameplay even if demoman is still overpowered. I dont think demo nerfing should be done unless valve really meant to do it. Dont bring demo problems into this topic, it’s not the only class afected by this randomness.

and thats why its limited to 1 and works perfectly.