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Created 8th August 2009 @ 22:02
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I’ve seen scouts from Dignitas, Imperial and Vale use it. And I don’t even watch the scene that closely. There could be others.
Youv’e seen them use it yes but its not exactly their weapon of choice? As has been put sooooo many times, most high div players use the scatter 90% of the time. If the FAN is that OP, why aren’t they using it all the time?
Lets ignore everything else for the moment and let this cretin answer this very simple question. Something that has been asked hundreds of times…
In the Digi vs Vale match Rebeli and Arnold ran fan all the time (dunno about gran, but it was like that on blands). Reasons to not use it? Some kind of honor? You also seem to be ignoring the div1 players that want to see it banned. Why would they want that? If it isn’t broken?
Lets just ban it unless both teams agree that it is okay to use. Should solve the problem right?
Well no because any team that have your mindset are obviously going to not want the fan used. Purely because theyre too stupid to work out how to counter it. Theyre the sort of people I love using the FAN against. Obviously you don’t know how to counter it so your’e asking for a ban.
To be honest I don’t blame you. If I was as stupid as that I’d probably try and get it banned.
And tbh, the vote that etf2l admins should have posed, was between banning it completely, or keeping it. That way, the compromise would have been meeting in the middle- having it limited to 1
http://koltchak91120.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/facepalm.jpg
do like the Sandman then.
Banned until both teams agree to use it.
do that for the fan, that way, if you play against people that don’t want the fan, they won’t have to play against the fan or if you play against teams that allow the FaN, you can use it aswell and be happy.
sorted.
Why should I have the obligation to follow the artificial rules that some scrubs made up in their own mind?
Why should I be forced to deal with a broken weapon because some scrubs don’t understand game mechanics?
do like the Sandman then.
Banned until both teams agree to use it.
do that for the fan, that way, if you play against people that don’t want the fan, they won’t have to play against the fan or if you play against teams that allow the FaN, you can use it aswell and be happy.
sorted.
Why should I have the obligation to follow the artificial rules that some scrubs made up in their own mind?
Why should I be forced to deal with a broken weapon because some scrubs don’t understand game mechanics?
you aren’t using reason to argue your case. your argument consists of “i dont know how to counter the fan. therefore ban it”.
until you use a reasoned argument i cant be bothered with this thread
You also seem to be ignoring the div1 players that want to see it banned. Why would they want that? If it isn’t broken?
Because theyre being premature and want to ban everything right away that keeps them from playing like they have done the last 2 years. “Oh noes, I have to change my playstyle in order to keep winning. Let’s just ban it instead!”
You also seem to forget the people from div1 that don’t want the weapon to be banned.
Koeitje, every single argument from you can be countered with the exact same argument – hence they’re all being invalid.
do like the Sandman then.
Banned until both teams agree to use it.
do that for the fan, that way, if you play against people that don’t want the fan, they won’t have to play against the fan or if you play against teams that allow the FaN, you can use it aswell and be happy.
sorted.
Why should I have the obligation to follow the artificial rules that some scrubs made up in their own mind?
Because the other way around is already in place and many people are sick of it?
also, +1 to what Koeitje said earlier as a reply to you.
do like the Sandman then.
Banned until both teams agree to use it.
do that for the fan, that way, if you play against people that don’t want the fan, they won’t have to play against the fan or if you play against teams that allow the FaN, you can use it aswell and be happy.
sorted.
Why should I have the obligation to follow the artificial rules that some scrubs made up in their own mind?
Why should I be forced to deal with a broken weapon because some scrubs don’t understand game mechanics?
dude get an education. you aren’t using reason to argue your case. your argument consists of “i dont know how to counter the fan. therefore ban it”.
until you use a reasoned argument i cant be bothered with this thread
No. I already posted how to counter it: use the fan yourself. Which is a clear sign of a broken game mechanic. There aren’t any other counters to it.
@relen: yes. They can be countered like that. That’s why we should look at the facts. And the fact is that the weapon is broken. BERSERKERR and Vali also explained this in the closed thread, maybe you should read it.
I can’t believe I need ot post this on etf2l, a Place where I would expect people to be half intelligent but anyway. Lets take the Rock-Paper-Scissors analogy of TF2.
http://www.voodoostats.com/RockPaperScissors.jpg
If you follow that, look Rock beats Scissors every time, but what your forgetting is that Paper beats Rock. And thats without even bothering to mention that scissors beat paper also. Only difference in TF2 is that theres 9 choices instead of 3, its really that simple. All the FaN does is move where the scout would sit on that flowchart.
I can’t believe I need ot post this on etf2l, a Place where I would expect people to be half intelligent but anyway. Lets take the Rock-Paper-Scissors analogy of TF2.
http://www.voodoostats.com/RockPaperScissors.jpg
If you follow that, look Rock beats Scissors every time, but what your forgetting is that Paper beats Rock. And thats without even bothering to mention that scissors beat paper also. Only difference in TF2 is that theres 9 choices instead of 3, its really that simple. All the FaN does is move where the scout would sit on that flowchart.
Scout is already at the top of the foodchain. Fan just makes it easier to reach the top because it lowers the skill ceiling.
No. I already posted how to counter it: use the fan yourself. Which is a clear sign of a broken game mechanic. There aren’t any other counters to it.
Just because YOU don’t know any counters doesn’t mean there aren’t any.
You could try working with your scout buddy for a change. SInce the two scouts usually fight together he’s not even missing at another position.
You said that the FaN scout can easily use corners to avoid being damaged while reloading. YOu could follow him around the corner, for example. If his team is around that corner so you can follow him – gratz to the FaN-scout, he discovered teamwork.
Scout is already at the top of the foodchain. Fan just makes it easier to reach the top because it lowers the skill ceiling.
You missed my point, its not a food chain, its an infinite circle.
And the fact is that the weapon is broken.
Because it beats you in a Scout 1v1 6 or 7 times out of 10?
I mean, seriously? That’s what you consider broken?
No. I already posted how to counter it: use the fan yourself. Which is a clear sign of a broken game mechanic. There aren’t any other counters to it.
Just because YOU don’t know any counters doesn’t mean there aren’t any.
You could try working with your scout buddy for a change. SInce the two scouts usually fight together he’s not even missing at another position.
You said that the FaN scout can easily use corners to avoid being damaged while reloading. YOu could follow him around the corner, for example. If his team is around that corner so you can follow him – gratz to the FaN-scout, he discovered teamwork.
2 scatterscouts lose to 1 scatter 1 fan scout if skilllevels of the scatter scouts are equal and the fan scout is lower skilled. Why? Easy 2nd meatshot. If all scouts are equally skilled the fan+scatter will dominate. Only counter is to use the fan yourself.
The time it takes to follow him around the corner allows him to reload and shoot you in the face. You must be playing a different version of tf2 I think, where scatter scouts get some sort of turbo boost they can use?
And the fact is that the weapon is broken.
Because it beats you in a Scout 1v1 6 or 7 times out of 10?
I mean, seriously? That’s what you consider broken?
Yes. If I would beat him in scatter vs scatter 6 or 7 times out of 10 it shows it is broken. If we would go tit for tat when both using scatter, it shows it is broken. The weapon lowers the skill ceiling. As we both know the scouts are very important to any team, and constantly losing your scouts because of some imbalanced weapon that forces you to use it to is quite game breaking. Also see my post above this one, it also explains why it is broken even with your scout buddy.
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