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We should all get behind this as the reduced number of skill tiers will allow players to rise quicker and progress a rate better for them.

Personally I am still neutral on the Swiss tournament system (pun intended), it remains to be proven to me as my experiences are it is inferior to the Round Robin style we had previously. However, I have an open mind and so we should all give it a try and see how it goes.

It is a good time for a change in system. Things have felt a little frayed the last season or two (just due to fatigue of the game) and hopefully this will mix things up and keep them healthy. Also the benefits to the lower end of the divs will be huge.

Quoted from Herr_P

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Because it’s a mess only rooted in tradition? Every season sees the same tired shit on the forums about teams being in the wrong divs etc etc

If you honestly think that there’s no reason to abandon the old system in favor of a new one – granted, that is if it proves superior or if it just introduces new issues – you need to do a reality check.

Edit: Also name them low – mid – high – prem pls. I miss seeing people searching for “low low” on irc :>

So basically what you’re saying is, that only to resolve a stupid and minor issue, such as the wrong placement in a div, “We” just re-organize completely the challenging system, hoping it’ll resolve such a stupid thing, and plus using a system used by a more stupid and boring tournament like ESEA?

And Prem Players why would you even care about this?

Also a +1 for the names, please don’t call them like they are in ESEA, please…

I like this change, it’ll be interesting to see how it works out.

I can’t really imagine it changing too much in d2/d1 to be honest except for removing a d2 winners medal, however I can see it being a greatly improved system for the lower divisions.

I have friends who are in d4 teams currently and in their brackets they’ve had 3 teams fold. This means that they only got 5 games in total for the whole ETF2L season and speaking from personal experience – this happened to me in season 5 – it made it hard to take ETF2L seriously. With this new change, those teams dropping out shouldn’t be a problem and teams should get a full season of TF2.

I can imagine in lower divisions competition will also be more fierce which is a good thing. I know when I was in lower divs there were always rival teams who we would like to beat except that in the old system, chances were that you would end up in different brackets to your rivals. Also often the lower division brackets are fairly polarised in terms of skill with one team dominating. These problems are also solved now which I think is cool :)

As I said, it’ll be interesting to see how it works, but I’m optimistic even if I don’t foresee this impacting me personally too much. Good work ETF2L!

Nice job being rude, mana…

Swiss system can exist, but I think it should have all 7 Tiers, you just combine all same numbered Divs together, except Prem and Div 1 ofc, so Tier 3 (Div 2) has 16 teams, Tier 4 (Div 3) – 24 teams, etc.
And as I said, Tier 4 (Div5&6) should be Sub-Divided like NA UGC – Steel Red and Steel Blu, to prevent huge amount of teams in 1 Tier

Rock – either you add something worthwhile to the discussion or you shut up.

You don’t need to plaster your opinion virtually everywhere, we noted it the first time.

The community was asked, there was a big thread about this a while ago, asking for our opinions.
this thread is not about why the old system is better, or why you don’t like it. This is for questions about the swiss sysyem. That being said, I would like to see the few questions asked being answered. Perm didn’t say anything in here yet :/

Will there be a preseason week like UGC has? This is a good opportunity to get feedback on maps without the overhead of running a cup or putting a map into the main season that people are going to dislike.

I suppose you could even add an incentive for teams to play the preseason by prioritising them during the seeding process (those who played that week will have a higher seeding), but obviously the details would have to be worked out on that idea to make it fair in addition to the top 50% tier seeding you described.