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It bothers me that Arx seems to write every one of his posts with intentions of “pitching” his beliefs on how TF2 should work to everyone else.

Big supporter of 1 map per week but I actually prefer win difference 5. Seen some comebacks this season that just wouldn’t have been possible without it.

Quoted from Hallow

It bothers me that Arx seems to write every one of his posts with intentions of “pitching” his beliefs on how TF2 should work to everyone else.

Er… this is a thread asking for our opinions… on how TF2 should work for everyone. What I’ve done here, is express my opinion, on the topic, which is the point of this thread.

What you’re actually saying, is: “It bothers me that Arx seems to respond to the question of the original topic with his own opinion and some reasonable logic to backup and explain why _he_ thinks it’s a good idea for TF2 to work like this”.

The lucky thing for you, is that the majority of the ‘elitest’ members of the community hate me and my opinions so statements such as yours will always have people jump on the bandwagon, like ipz just did. Congrats! How about you come up with some counter arguments to what I’ve said, so the thread can actually benefit rather than trying to get some community rep points.

Failing that, go and do something that actually benefits the competitive community like some of us do.

just throwing it out there that i would value opinions from people that have both played and specced lots of games in both scenes over those that only really have experience in one.

Quoted from aura

I wonder why we have to switch to American system, If we want to unify the leagues? Why not ask NA first to try out our system?

Exactly… I too want an unified ruleset but there are somethings that bother me on NA ruleset …

Like the switching teams at half time, it becomes overly complicated and as arx said it really doesn’t necessarily make it even for the team because they will be playing less time on 2nd half…

The best ruleset for a globalized tf2 for me would be a mix of the 2.

For example mp_timelimit 40, half time at 20, winlimit 5, and no changing teams at half time

Something like “FIFA” to regulate comp tf2 would work wonders IMO as I said before

Quoted from AcidReniX

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Didn’t mean to come off as a douche, sorry if I did. It just seems to me that you say everything you say with this “I told you so”-attitude because you suggested a lot of (partly good from what I can tell) changes that were neglected, and now when people are unhappy with the ruleset you want to tell them it’s too late.

I admit not to have watched many NA games, so may be my argument isnt based on a good knowledged of both, although I know the NA rules.

Something I wonder is why NA ruleset should encourage some more aggressive play. Even our ruleset do so. If you’re far better than the enemy team it’s no sense to sit and wait till the clock ends. Let’s assume you are leading 3-0, I would try to push our advantage and make the enemy team to risk at some point because you have both score and time on your side, because they know that when the time ends, they lose if they dont have more points. Turtling last is reasonable, but that’s all, you would that with NA rule as well, but no one wants to hould till the time ends.
Of course it gets boring after a while if you say “Ok we are leading by 2 points, let’s play safe and wait for them to push (which they wont do unless they have some clear man advantage)” and eventually it takes 2.30 for a single push.

TF2 has the same basics of sports like basket or football. It would make no sense that a football match ends when one of 2 teams score 5 goals, but the team with most points after 90 min wins.

And it’s no sense to think that changing the ruleset will change how EU play the game, because it wont happen. I challenge you to see some matches of teams that have played the 6th cup and see how many differences there are from how we play usually. I can bet there are few, because they still wait to get uber, then wait to get pick unless they have a decent uber advantage or try to bomb to make them pop, if the roamer accomplishes then they try to push otherwise they fall back because they lost one.

I’d rather try to improve our current ruleset, which works good for us. Maybe why dont we reduce the timelimit to 20 or lower the winlimit to 4 (which makes less sense than 5, but so we can have faster game)? Or let’s break the game into 2 halves like NA do, 15 each with maybe 1 min overtime on the first half so you dont end the round in the middle, with 5 min break.

Also the NA style raises some problems with scheduling pcws and officials. We should then play 2 maps per week in 2 different days, that means a) even if you dont pcw often, you still have to be present 2 days for official + pcw b) you have less time to practise a single map, just 1 day or 2 depending on how often you play, with the risk of playing only 1 map per day because people cant show up on time on fucking TF2 and most teams play 21 to 23.

Some pros would be instead that you end a bit earlier so it can be better for workers/students that go to high school/people from east EU and we could play more maps per season.

In the end I dont mean that our ruleset is better than theirs, but that it suit better to us, and we should look forward to improve our system instead of copying theirs.
Or just start trying new stuff and play differently.

Also Arx speaks the truth when he says that unifying rules is bullshit because then we should allow all their unlocks, which we dont want to